Poll: sell to dealer? reg. as food business?

[HonestJohn]

Following on from Game Dealers License thread..I'm curious..how many of you selling to game dealers are registered as a Food Business?

 

[Klenchblaize]

Surely that’s a poll to declare if you’re breaking the law or not? Question 3 notwithstanding.

K

 

[HonestJohn]

Surely that’s a poll to declare if you’re breaking the law or not? Question 3 notwithstanding.

K

I don’t expect a lot of honest answers, but as they are anonymous there should be no reasons not to answer honestly.

I am more interested in how wide spread the issue is, not in that people mean to break the law, but more that they might not be ‘aware’ of the requirement

 

[Klenchblaize]

I don’t expect a lot of honest answers, but as they are anonymous there should be no reasons not to answer honestly.

I am more interested in how wide spread the issue is, not in that people mean to break the law, but more that they might not be ‘aware’ of the requirement

I figured as much but “ignorance of the law ………. “

K

 

[25 Sharps]

I don’t expect a lot of honest answers, but as they are anonymous there should be no reasons not to answer honestly.

I am more interested in how wide spread the issue is, not in that people mean to break the law, but more that they might not be ‘aware’ of the requirement

So why not just poll ‘are you aware you need to be registered as a food business?’ ‘Yes’ / ‘No’

 

[VSS]

In what area of the UK would answer number 3 apply?

 

[Apthorpe]

Thinking of starting another poll: "How many completely unnecessary own goals do you want to supply to antis?"

 

[Klenchblaize]

At best one might argue that such a thread serves to demonstrate - along with a number of others - that there’s much work to be done in better communicating current FSA compliant venison processing requirements.

I’m not suggesting yet another c£250 DMQ/BDS/BASC specialist course but perhaps a more simplified flow chart.

K

 

[VSS]

At best one might argue that such a thread serves to demonstrate - along with a number of others - that there’s much work to be done in better communicating current FSA compliant venison processing requirements.

I’m not suggesting yet another c£250 DMQ/BDS/BASC specialist course but perhaps a more simplified flow chart etc.

K

It's not like the information is hard to find. It's been linked on this site many, many times. It's more a case that people either can't be bothered to look, or don't want to know. It's staggering, really, that people selling what is essentially a food product, in this day and age, don't even bother to first check out what food legislation they may need to comply with. Yet those same people would, no doubt, have something to say about it if, for example, the canteen that served their kid's school dinners didn't bother to comply with current food standards legislation. Particularly if the kid got sick.
Selling venison illegally (eg, to a game dealer without being registered as a food business) is about on a level with poaching, night shooting without a licence, shooting deer out of season without a licence, shooting deer with a 22lr, etc etc etc. I would expect the vast majority (if not all) the members of this site to openly condemn those activities, yet the poll results so far suggest that a significant proportion are selling venison illegally. One cannot help but wonder if it was also obtained illegally, given their disregard for the law.

 

[HonestJohn]

None - but gives a further indicator of misunderstanding of current regulations

In what area of the UK would answer number 3 apply?

 

[NoIDeer]

I would imagine more deer carcasses are quite legally put into the food chain by stalkers not registered because the larder facility they use is the registered business.
i.e pro and estate stalkers.

 

[HonestJohn]

I would imagine more deer carcasses are quite legally put into the food chain by stalkers not registered because the larder facility they use is the registered business.
i.e pro and estate stalkers.

I know of several large estates that are not registered because the game dealer they sell to is the registered food business. I think there's a lot of confusion around the regulations, hence I believe this thread to be a useful tool.

Also, if an estate 'is' a registered food business, but let's stalkers out without using their larder facilities, would the stalkers selling to a game dealer need to individually be registered as a food business if they are not using the larder on the estate, and if they are not employed by the estate?

lots of confusion around this I suspect

 

[VSS]

I know of several large estates that are not registered because the game dealer they sell to is the registered food business. I think there's a lot of confusion around the regulations, hence I believe this thread to be a useful tool.

Those estates should be registered as Food Businesses. The fact that the AGHE that they sell to is registeted is irrelevant.

Also, if an estate 'is' a registered food business, but let's stalkers out without using their larder facilities, would the stalkers selling to a game dealer need to individually be registered as a food business if they are not using the larder on the estate, and if they are not employed by the estate?

If the deer were shot by a guest stalker under the supervision of a suitably qualified (Large Game Meat Hygiene certificate) employee of the estate then sale of the carcass to an AGHE would be covered by the estate's Food Business registration, as I understand it.

 

[HonestJohn]

Those estates should be registered as Food Businesses. The fact that the AGHE that they sell to is registeted is irrelevant.

If the deer were shot by a guest stalker under the supervision of a suitably qualified (Large Game Meat Hygiene certificate) employee of the estate then sale of the carcass to an AGHE would be covered by the estate's Food Business registration, as I understand it.

If the estates are not registered, but allow unaccompanied stalkers out? who carries the can, the estate or the stalker taking and selling the game?

 

[palmer_mike]

If the estates are not registered, but allow unaccompanied stalkers out? who carries the can, the estate or the stalker taking and selling the game?

The person selling the game

 

[HonestJohn]

The person selling the game

I would agree, although, I suspect it is not clear or made clear, and the estates name goes on the ticket at the dealer

 

[baguio]

Shocking but not in the least bit surprised at the answers on this thread! It doesn't even cost anything to register!

 

[Apthorpe]

Does a game dealer have any responsibility to ensure he/she/it only buys from the correct sources?

 

[VSS]

If the estates are not registered, but allow unaccompanied stalkers out? who carries the can, the estate or the stalker taking and selling the game?

If the unaccompanied stalker takes the carcass and sells it independently of the estate on which he was stalking, then it is the stalker who carries the can. He needs to be suitably qualified and registered as a food business.
It really isn't complicated or difficult to understand. I think people are deliberately fudging it in order to convince themselves that it doesn't apply to them.

Does a game dealer have any responsibility to ensure he/she/it only buys from the correct sources?

That is a very salient question. One would assume so, which makes one think that many game dealers must be fiddling their records, given the number of stalkers who appear to be supplying them illegally.

 

[HonestJohn]

The outcome of the poll over 7 days, if people vote and do so honestly, will tell what needs to be done in educating the stalking community to align with regulations.

The point of this thread is to be constructive, and hope it is seen to be so for the overall good.