Poaching
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Lancashire News Item
Well done to the officers involved in this - getting it to court being a pretty big hurdle Though I suspect bettween now and the next court appearance there may be an increase in activity north Lancashire / south Cumbria Keep your eyes open on your grounds...
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Lancashire News Item
Well done to the officers involved in this - getting it to court being a pretty big hurdle Though I suspect bettween now and the next court appearance there may be an increase in activity north Lancashire / south Cumbria Keep your eyes open on your grounds...
A wee bit more info for Mr Blades
Stalker62
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No evidence that I am aware of that suggests the Police consider it to be a "victimless" crime.
Once dead (as @VSS explains) the deer belong to the landowner.
With regards to poachers not causing damage to 'crops. fencing, gates, etc", - if that is the case where you are, then you have indeed been fortunate.
Stalker62
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If that's true, it's the first time I have come across it.
I "Keeper" a very modest shoot (not worth the effort for any self-respecting poacher), and I will generally lose one or two "headless poults" a year, at the start of the season.
The local Tawny Owl is very welcome to their share.
As Ronin said " getting it to court was a pretty big hurdle" Well getting a copper out is a bigger one in my direct experience. Looks like a lucky car pull ?
Wouldn't bother phoning next time personally speaking
Wouldn't bother phoning next time personally speaking
I once had a plumber who didn’t do a good job.
Therefore no plumber has ever done a good job, and never will ever again.
And they don't leave marbles and ball bearings behind on the deck either.
levigsp
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Agreed but marble throwers dont leave the bird minus head. Ive been at this game to long to listen to hearsay from pikey haters. Gamekeeper have been finding headless poults since game rearing started and less now than in the middle to late part of the 20th centaury. The trouble is that a lot of shooting folk are no more than paying to kill and no little of the countryside and modern gamekeepers are often nothing more than glorified poultry rearer's who are the same and dont understand an owl has taken the heads of the poults, so they conclude its humans.
You can believe what you want to!
if you carried on using and putting your trust in the same firm , folks might rightly call you daft though.
That's actually the route fault of many such Government controlled things, we dont get a choice to use another firm instead. Indeed failure is when they tend to get rewarded with more money
Basically the total opposite of the Plumber
Sounds about right.
Many moons ago in my late thirties, I had a confrontation with a couple of lads at the pheasants on a windy night.
Whilst wresting with one and being used as a football by the other I thought it time to call the pack. Two good dogs make quite a mess of folk in the dark. I got a good arrest and they got hospital treatment. The local feds wanted to get my dogs put down but luckily the boss knew somebody at County level and that was squashed. Had a return bout one evening with them and two more, this time I was lucky enough having a couple of good lads from the mob with me. There were no police involved that time, much better result, four down never to come back.
We now have all gates and locked entrances so vehicles don't get in, but the dog men keep coming after the big rabbits.
Whilst wresting with one and being used as a football by the other I thought it time to call the pack. Two good dogs make quite a mess of folk in the dark. I got a good arrest and they got hospital treatment. The local feds wanted to get my dogs put down but luckily the boss knew somebody at County level and that was squashed. Had a return bout one evening with them and two more, this time I was lucky enough having a couple of good lads from the mob with me. There were no police involved that time, much better result, four down never to come back.
We now have all gates and locked entrances so vehicles don't get in, but the dog men keep coming after the big rabbits.
Heym SR20
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I really don’t understand why police will not tackle poaching of deer with rifles.
It’s any easy prosecution. Either illegal possession of firearms in which case mandatory porridge time. Or breach of FAC conditions- ie use of firearms on land where they have no lawful permission, again at a minimum means immediate revocation of Certificates etc.
Once they have been arrested, many will be in possession of mobile phones and vehicles which have some of GPS tracking - again this can be analysed to show where they have been.
The converse is police not turning up to firearms offences - not good for PR.
It’s any easy prosecution. Either illegal possession of firearms in which case mandatory porridge time. Or breach of FAC conditions- ie use of firearms on land where they have no lawful permission, again at a minimum means immediate revocation of Certificates etc.
Once they have been arrested, many will be in possession of mobile phones and vehicles which have some of GPS tracking - again this can be analysed to show where they have been.
The converse is police not turning up to firearms offences - not good for PR.
Rake Aboot
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Because it’s a small crime in the grand scheme of things
That’s why
That’s why
Not just in Dorset, then!
It happens over a bet (much like betting on who's long dog is best)
The break into a pen (in the dark) catch the poults pull the heads off stuff them in a bag or coat pocket then have a count up later (sometimes back at a pub)
Down here it's done with catapults. Dozens at a time.
Only a small fraction of poachers are betting on results of dog performances from the likely crowd.
It's not about money in most cases.
Some men still marvel at the abilty of a dog doing what nature intended it to do.
20+ yrs ago running a dog on mammals was not illegal (poaching was).
There were plenty of men legally hunting with dogs on land with permission.
Half the young shavers at it now, although doing illegally, are still only interested in the ability of the dog, shame they have no consideration for farming and hunting seasons.
It's not about money in most cases.
Some men still marvel at the abilty of a dog doing what nature intended it to do.
20+ yrs ago running a dog on mammals was not illegal (poaching was).
There were plenty of men legally hunting with dogs on land with permission.
Half the young shavers at it now, although doing illegally, are still only interested in the ability of the dog, shame they have no consideration for farming and hunting seasons.
David Barker
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Poaching was described as a real problem in Glasgow and surrounding areas. I was tasked with doing an investigation through the police regards call out etc. and convictions. There were only a few call outs they were organised hunts or counts by FC or the then SNH. There were no convictions at all for poaching deer. No Problem lets let the police solve the real crime and if we have poachers with proper rifles then educate them and lets use them to lowers deer numbers properly.
They had time to pull me over when I forgot to put my seatbelt on though
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