Impact of the Trophy Ban
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Apologies if it has been said before in the longer thread, but why does bringing a trophy back make any difference to the decision to go and hoot the animal?
I'm comfortable with the link of hunting income and conservation and morally see no difference between shooting a kudu and a red stag, but I don't understand what the problem is with the bill as it not preventing anyone going hunting. What am I missing?
Now, dear SD types, I'm asking partly as I will use this in the undergraduate course I am creating and teaching as an example of use of animals, so please, keep the comments sensible
I'm comfortable with the link of hunting income and conservation and morally see no difference between shooting a kudu and a red stag, but I don't understand what the problem is with the bill as it not preventing anyone going hunting. What am I missing?
Now, dear SD types, I'm asking partly as I will use this in the undergraduate course I am creating and teaching as an example of use of animals, so please, keep the comments sensible
Taking into consideration the legislation that is already in place (UK, EU, Africa, CITES etc), I see this new piece of legislation (which, still has to go through the House of Lords), as no more than a back door way for people opposed to any form of shooting / hunting to impose more restrictions.
The worst form of legislation is bad legislation and taking into consideration that all of the scientific evidence and letters of opposition to the bill from African countries, have been ignored, the whole process is fundamentally flawed and does not meet the requirements of "Good governance", which all legislation in the UK must meet.
The worst form of legislation is bad legislation and taking into consideration that all of the scientific evidence and letters of opposition to the bill from African countries, have been ignored, the whole process is fundamentally flawed and does not meet the requirements of "Good governance", which all legislation in the UK must meet.
Heym SR20
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So where will it stop. When I last in Namibia in 2018, all the shops and markets all had large numbers of curios, bags and even full skins of native African animals all marketed at tourists. Every where from the Lodge we stayed on on a hunting estate, Bradenberg lodge owned and run by local community which had both tourists and hunters, to the main lodge in Etosha National park, shoops in Windhoek and even at the airport.
Skins, full skull mounts, bags, shoes etc etc all on sale and all made from animals that had died to a rifle bullet from a hunter.
So the bill is proposing that I cannot bring back / import a trophy that has fallen to my rifle. But if a I buy a zebra skin already prepared on a safari holiday then that’s all fine??
Skins, full skull mounts, bags, shoes etc etc all on sale and all made from animals that had died to a rifle bullet from a hunter.
So the bill is proposing that I cannot bring back / import a trophy that has fallen to my rifle. But if a I buy a zebra skin already prepared on a safari holiday then that’s all fine??
maxtheflyinghorse
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So that’s more animals for the price of taxidermy and shipping then 
and also it might make the safari more affordable
and also it might make the safari more affordable
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Malxwal
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I'm not a trophy person, and to be honest, hunting abroad is generally beyond my means, although I was considering saving up for a management type trip. But the sheer arrogance of virtue signalling British politicians in denying other countries their economy is shocking. Its also an infringement on personal rights, dictating what a person can or can't display in the privacy of their own home that has nothing to do with any illegal activities.
Thanks. I might need it.
Pine Marten
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Hello Buchan.
You raise an interesting point. From a personal perspective, I have no desire to go and hunt in Africa, amongst other reasons because to me personally it seems like a sort of colonial era nostalgic fantasy that I find distasteful. BUT, I'm a bit of a hypocrite because given the possibility to go on a North American moose hunt, I'd jump at it. But the US and Canada don't have the same kind if colonial history. Still, the moose or the elephant don't care about these things, they're in the hearts of the human hunters.
I'm also not generally happy to shoot animals I won't eat. I will compromise because someone else is going to eat them, but it never feels quite right.
Regarding trophies, well if I happen to shoot something memorable then yes, I like to have a memento of it. I wouldn't shoot something just for the trophy though. It's only OK because we eat them. It's fine to keep a by-product.
None of this makes any difference to the animal. I may find shooting an animal for the trophy distasteful, but that's just me and it's none of my business what anyone's motivation is.
I suspect this law is mostly because people find hunting for trophies distasteful, as well D he perceived colonial undertones. Does this apply to shooting a moose in Canada? Its not good law, certainly.
I would happily accept this kind of law if it was made in the context of a wider acceptance that hunting has a part to play in our wider relationship with nature. But that's not the case.
Stalker62
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Joking aside, it was a serious point I was trying to make.
Mozambique ten years ago, picked these (literally off the ground) as souvenirs.
The porcupine quills (stock image) were actually the result of a lion kill. I remember the tracker 'parcelled' them in grass (as we walked) and handed them to me. They are down in the 'Man Cave' now.
The shells, liberally scattered everywhere, told of a bygone time when (perhaps) the land was underwater.
Brought them back through Customs (Mozambique, South Africa and London) without a thought or a care in the world.
Fast forward ten years. The warning signs are everywhere. It's all changed.
Prison is not funny. Prison in Africa? Not even remotely funny.
I literally 'searched myself' before we set off for home, to ensure that I was not inadvertently carrying any contraband.
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I started a thread, entitled “What Constitutes a Trophy”, with the desire to start a serious debate about this and where it’s going if one follows not just the logic of the ban but the real and undisclosed driver that is a hatred of anyone who retains the genes and passion to hunt with a firearm.
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Am I reading this all wrong ? Endangered species cites etc no ... non Endangered species plains game kudu springbok etc no change ?
Pine Marten
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I think there is a genetic desire to hunt deer, fish, snails, mushrooms, that is strongly expressed in some people. But I don't think there's one to do it "with a firearm". Pointed stick or rock, maybe.
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