Trader sold me a burnt out 22-250 ???
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Crikey! That really is tired isn't it! Nice looking rifle - mines synthetic stainless.Here's another
That's what I'd do. My option is there if money is tight, but that's far too nice to bin off as a barrellled action.
Ronin
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14 months after purchase is a bit of a gap
I appreciate the difficulty to find time to zero and practice, but the issue would have been noticeable from the off - that the rifle doesn’t group
As others have suggested - the timescale may be an issue with the previous seller and there was no contact hinting there may be a problem
I wish you well with the discussion with the seller
Some RFD value customer service and repeat business.
The action and stock are worth rebarrelling - Whixh is the advice I gave to Gary when ha rang me about the rifle last week whilst you were at the shop
You may find that there is variance on barrel prices depending on who you speak to - again with that, caveat emptor
I appreciate the difficulty to find time to zero and practice, but the issue would have been noticeable from the off - that the rifle doesn’t group
As others have suggested - the timescale may be an issue with the previous seller and there was no contact hinting there may be a problem
I wish you well with the discussion with the seller
Some RFD value customer service and repeat business.
The action and stock are worth rebarrelling - Whixh is the advice I gave to Gary when ha rang me about the rifle last week whilst you were at the shop
You may find that there is variance on barrel prices depending on who you speak to - again with that, caveat emptor
Did you shoot those groups off that tripod set up?
Crowsfeet
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No not at all. Those shots were of a bipod and bag at different times.
Sorry if this is a dumb question (but I did check the post and couldn't see a mention) have you cleaned the chamber and bore? I mean really cleaned the snot out of it - multiple solvent soakings over several nights and 100s of passes with a bronze brush until a clean patch of meths (and clean rod) comes out spotless. This treatment has solved many accuracy problems for me, even for barrels that look like the inside of a BBQ.
Crowsfeet
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Very good point, but yes, several times. In fact, Gary at Malmo praised my cleaning of the rest of the bore. Said it was great.
Daft questions really - but have you tried different ammo ? -My mates Creed shoots like an arrow unless with S and B then its like a scattergun
Have you shot it using glass - rather than NV scope ?
Ronin
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Havent seen it
Was called by the shop and described pretty much same as the op in first post
Was asked for advice and gave that
wildfowler.250
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It sounds very much like you have a gun with a decent action and stock. I’d probably put a new barrel on it and move on. Or sell it as an action and go new.
Totally get the timeframe but as others have said, it’s probably been too long. The 75 is a really nice rifle though.
Run it past the shop and go from there. I’d bought a 75 through RFD to RFD and couldn’t get it to group more than 4” even at 50 yards. The shop did offer to look at it for me but I had to factor in postage and that they would charge on the cost of ammo. Local RFD had a look at the thread and said it was a rubbish job within half a second of seeing the rifle. This was possibly something I should have known with experience but you wonder about scope mounts etc first. Anyway, original shop said “it was fine with the moderator that we used in our shop” - same moderator thread. After paying my local to cut and thread it again, it shoots fingernails at 100 yards.
Sometimes these things are frustrating but sorted quicker if you “bite the bullet” unfortunately.
Totally get the timeframe but as others have said, it’s probably been too long. The 75 is a really nice rifle though.
Run it past the shop and go from there. I’d bought a 75 through RFD to RFD and couldn’t get it to group more than 4” even at 50 yards. The shop did offer to look at it for me but I had to factor in postage and that they would charge on the cost of ammo. Local RFD had a look at the thread and said it was a rubbish job within half a second of seeing the rifle. This was possibly something I should have known with experience but you wonder about scope mounts etc first. Anyway, original shop said “it was fine with the moderator that we used in our shop” - same moderator thread. After paying my local to cut and thread it again, it shoots fingernails at 100 yards.
Sometimes these things are frustrating but sorted quicker if you “bite the bullet” unfortunately.
Crowsfeet
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Really appreciate all these comments and the understanding with regards the time line.
Pretty sure I'll sell it on as a project and buy something new
I wouldn't totally rule out a re barrel to be honest.
I was in the same boat as you bought a .223 via RFD transfer (yep I know wont be doing that again) and it wouldn't shoot for toffee tried all the usual and I was about 6 months down the line in the end so figured there wouldn't be a lot of mileage going back to the RFD. To be honest I got the gun at a decent price and the RFD missed it had a timmney trigger fitted so I was about £150 quids in on that alone.
So I had the option of flogging on the action/ trigger wait however long a 141 takes (mileage may vary on this where you are goo luck for those in Northants at the moment............) and then buy a new one. Figure in the cost of a decent new .223 and you could get a Friday afternoon special (been there with a savage .270 I got)
Instead I got JR firearms to put a match heavy barrel on it in stainless with the twist I wanted to future proof for copper , true the action and get it ceracoated in the certainty that it would be a shooter and if there were any issues I would have no issues getting them sorted. Overall cost vs a decent new rifle was probably about £300 more but its to my spec and I didnt have to fanny about with the 141 system and waiting to sell the action.
Lets be honest its a sound action (I love my semi custom Sako 75 in .243 (another one from JR Firearms) with a nice stock so you would end up with a cracking semi custom rifle that you know will probably outlive you with care.
I plan to pass my .243 down to my daughter as there is no way I am going to shoot out the barrel on that!
I was in the same boat as you bought a .223 via RFD transfer (yep I know wont be doing that again) and it wouldn't shoot for toffee tried all the usual and I was about 6 months down the line in the end so figured there wouldn't be a lot of mileage going back to the RFD. To be honest I got the gun at a decent price and the RFD missed it had a timmney trigger fitted so I was about £150 quids in on that alone.
So I had the option of flogging on the action/ trigger wait however long a 141 takes (mileage may vary on this where you are goo luck for those in Northants at the moment............) and then buy a new one. Figure in the cost of a decent new .223 and you could get a Friday afternoon special (been there with a savage .270 I got)
Instead I got JR firearms to put a match heavy barrel on it in stainless with the twist I wanted to future proof for copper , true the action and get it ceracoated in the certainty that it would be a shooter and if there were any issues I would have no issues getting them sorted. Overall cost vs a decent new rifle was probably about £300 more but its to my spec and I didnt have to fanny about with the 141 system and waiting to sell the action.
Lets be honest its a sound action (I love my semi custom Sako 75 in .243 (another one from JR Firearms) with a nice stock so you would end up with a cracking semi custom rifle that you know will probably outlive you with care.
I plan to pass my .243 down to my daughter as there is no way I am going to shoot out the barrel on that!
I'm sort of in the same boat. Previously has a second hand .223, new .223, new .243 and all good. Just before lockdown I got a 6.5x55, brand new, but a T3 that had been sat on the shelf since 2016.Pretty sure I'll sell it on as a project and buy something new
When load developing for it, I'd always put a fouling shot into the bank first and then do a group, all was good. Over the last 6 months I've done a bit plot paper punching and noticed the first shot is always low right by up to 1.5". Since, its had a different stock, different scope and mounts. I've even shot it without the mod and I'm still not happy with it.
I could give up and sell it, but the next new gun could be just the same
.1 last ditch attempt to get my head round why it groups so well after the first and sometimes second shot is beyond most people I talk to, but going to get someone else to shoot it before it gets re barreled
I don't understand. Many rifles need a few copper fouling shots after aggressive cleaning to shoot straight again, that's pretty normal?I'm sort of in the same boat. Previously has a second hand .223, new .223, new .243 and all good. Just before lockdown I got a 6.5x55, brand new, but a T3 that had been sat on the shelf since 2016.
When load developing for it, I'd always put a fouling shot into the bank first and then do a group, all was good. Over the last 6 months I've done a bit plot paper punching and noticed the first shot is always low right by up to 1.5". Since, its had a different stock, different scope and mounts. I've even shot it without the mod and I'm still not happy with it.
I could give up and sell it, but the next new gun could be just the same
1 last ditch attempt to get my head round why it groups so well after the first and sometimes second shot is beyond most people I talk to, but going to get someone else to shoot it before it gets re barreled
If you are worried about the fact you can't fire these shots at 4am before stalking just ease off on your cleaning routine - say simply meths and light oiling, that is removed before stalking. This will leave the copper fouling in place and accuracy will be fine. Once a year do it properly.
Even then <1.5" off is pretty meaningless for sensible deer stalking ranges, especially if its consistent.
It shoots the same when dirty, light clean or deep clean. Here's a classic 3 shot group off a bipod at 100yards
geoffw
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You might realistically have paid £600 for a Sako 75 22-250 with a burnt out barrel, just for the action based on my (limited) experience (I was in a hurry and didn't spend long looking at the market), so the sting may not be as bad as you think. And you will be able to move the action on to get some of your money back- well sought after for custom builds.Thanks for the comments. I feel my only hope is the small amount of rounds purchased on my licence and some good morals getting the gunshop.
I know 14 month is a long time, but I have to try.
I'm not asking for something for nothing. I think it's obvious that it must have been worn pre sale. £800 too
Bo Diddley
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Don't do that, it looks like a nice rifle, go down the rebarrel route, and think of it as a learning curve. The person that doesn't make a mistake hasn't been born... don't make two with the same rifle
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