What scope would you put on my rifle? Disappointed in european hunting scopes offerings..
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HonestJohn
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there's no good scope solutions out there from european manufacturers, it's not a market they've understood properly. You'll need to go american made if you want something fit for purpose, or as said earlier, something like the S&B Summit with retrofit elevation turret and new reticle should hit the spot bang on for you.
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randello88
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I agree on reticles and on turret setup but i am curious to expand about the x44 subject. Isn't there a significant advantage in regard to low light performances with a x50 lens assuming the quality of the scope is comparable?I don't care for anything over x44 for an open terrain scope, anything over 18 mag is probably not required either on deer sized game/targets, that's a lot of mag!
1" tube aircraft grade alu tube will help reduce weight.
cluttered reticles are awful, a simple duplex or mildot is sufficient
dial for elevation, hold off for wind either measured against the animal or using mildots as hold off points.
locked elevation cap is preferable to avoid changed settings during travel, but not capped.
I don't care much for illuminated reticles or excessively large ocular lens housing diameters, nor short eye relief
there should be plenty of mounting space to accomodate for both SA, LA, and Magnum length receivers without having to compensate for eye relief issues by raising the scope stupidly high.
let me know if you find such a scope, been looking for a while
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HonestJohn
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I detest large diameter objective lenses personally. if hunting from a hide/highseat/treestand late at night, ok, but you're not going anywhere with the rifle really, and shooting is usually standing or sitting for late night hunting, so cheek weld being higher/head position higher isn't so much of an issue due to the nature of a higher scope mount with a 50mm or 56mm lens.
on open terrain rifles, you will be most likely shooting prone, head position with a high mounted scope becomes very unpleasant as you bend your head upwards and strain your neck, a very low mounted scope facilitates better head position and less muscular stress, in turn, better shooting. Also, you'll likely not be taking long late-night shots in open terrain as having to locate game shot at distance is usually not a good idea, so the larger lens isn't really relevant.
Caberslash will undoubtedly come in now and tell us a high scope position is better
randello88
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That's true, the 308 suffers wind quite a bit but at the end i will still need a way to compensate for wind if we are talking about 10 cm of wind drift or 15 cm. I get what you mean and I tought about getting a 7 mag or a 300 wsm but I relaized, also thanks to you guys on this forum, that i don't need that much power. As far as smaller, flatter trajectory calibers, yeah, my main concern is barrel life. Rebarreling in Italy is not as easy for legislative issues and if I setup a rifle with a certain ammo and I train with it, getting to know it very well, i don't want to repeat the process of finding an ammo it likes and learn DOPE all over again every 1 thousand rounds. The perfect round for me would have been 7 SAUM but it's disappearing. Also in this period of shortages i have always seen plenty of 308 ammo and reloading equipment everywhere and also availability is a factor. I think 308 is more than capable for shots inside 450 meters with the right ammo. And the situations where you don't have to compensate for wind just because you are shooting a flatter i think would be pretty rare (for example the wind drift of a 300 wsm 180 accubond with a 10 km/h wind would be around 20 cm and with a 308 with 165 accubond would be 23 cm, not such a big difference afterall). If you start thinking about 270, for big boars i don't like using 130 grain bullets and if you go 150 grains again, not so much flatter than a 308 with 150 grain pills, despite better bc. Inside 450 meters there isn't much difference in my opinion but I admit i don't have much field experience with other calibers. I think that, if you can't compensate at least with a minimum degree of precision, a flatter caliber gives you much better performance (point blank range increased, wind less concerning to further distances) but with dialing and precise holds, INSIDE 450 meters, i don't see many advantages for a barrel burning super fast caliber. That said, when 7 PRC will be more readily available (when and IF), i will build a rifle in that caliber, which i like a lot on paper.
randello88
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I think european manufacturer tend to develope their products giving much importance to central european hunting traditions (still hunting at dawn or at the sunset and shots inside 200 meters). But buying a 3k scope that will limit you on range so much when a 1k scope can get you accurate hits at double or triple the distance juet because you don't include basic features like marks on the reticle, exposed turrets or a FFP reticle.. i mean, I get the concept of a simple point and shoot scope for distances inside 200 meters, i love this concept and that's why i have the scope i have on the rifle
I am using at the moment, but at least give the option in your catalogue to have a different approach. But it seems like s&b and minox took care of this
randello88
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That's an interesting point of view. Thanks. I have to say my current setup with medium rings, 2 piece bases and a 50 mm objective fits me really well even with the straight comb stock of my bergara b14 hunter. That said, I always avoided 56 mm lenses for the reasons you are listing but maybe 50mm is a good compromise? I never used an high end x44 scope and I never put my eye through one in low light so..I detest large diameter objective lenses personally. if hunting from a hide/highseat/treestand late at night, ok, but you're not going anywhere with the rifle really, and shooting is usually standing or sitting for late night hunting, so cheek weld being higher/head position higher isn't so much of an issue due to the nature of a higher scope mount with a 50mm or 56mm lens.
on open terrain rifles, you will be most likely shooting prone, head position with a high mounted scope becomes very unpleasant as you bend your head upwards and strain your neck, a very low mounted scope facilitates better head position and less muscular stress, in turn, better shooting. Also, you'll likely not be taking long late-night shots in open terrain as having to locate game shot at distance is usually not a good idea, so the larger lens isn't really relevant.
Caberslash will undoubtedly come in now and tell us a high scope position is better
I have a 4x32 fx2 leupold on my cz 527 and i love it, from how it fits me to how bright it is despite the small bell
MPBR and hold for wind , Job done !
randello88
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I will do it. Do you have any specific model in mind?
randello88
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For a MPBR of 450 meters i need to hunt elefants or shoot roes with an howitzer
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randello88
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By the way guys i wanna tell you something. This forum is amazing. I am also registered in other forums (mostly american or italian ones) and, even if valid suggestions and very experienced users can be found also there, here the amount of people that wanna help other hunters out is amazing. Never seen anything like this. In roughly onw day i got more informations and suggestions than i would have gotten making researches for weeks! Thanks
The only forum where the quality of suggestions is very, very low is ilbraccoitaliano, an italian hunting forum. Guys, in that shithole having a useful conversation is impossible. A lot of judging without knowing the context, disrespectful behaviours, etc. There are a few obviously menthally ill guys that stay on the forum 24/7 and they just attack everyone who doesn't strictly follow german and tirolese hunting traditions and most of them say things that clearly make you understand they have a very limited and biased hunting experience.
Sorry for the OT
The only forum where the quality of suggestions is very, very low is ilbraccoitaliano, an italian hunting forum. Guys, in that shithole having a useful conversation is impossible. A lot of judging without knowing the context, disrespectful behaviours, etc. There are a few obviously menthally ill guys that stay on the forum 24/7 and they just attack everyone who doesn't strictly follow german and tirolese hunting traditions and most of them say things that clearly make you understand they have a very limited and biased hunting experience.
Sorry for the OT
The system ( and any) doesn't preclude hold over or off etc ! Shooting live quarry we all have to adapt for such things and of course if you beast turns on a slight angle .For a MPBR of 450 meters i need to hunt elefant or shoot roes with an howitzer
TBF if you need to ask I suggest your past your personal limits
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zerovarm
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If money wasn't an issue it'll be hard to beat a Nighforce Atacr F1 in 4-16x50. 34mm tube may be an issue for you. The Bushnell Elite DMR3 3-21x50 is a cracking FFP scope also, 34mm to.
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randello88
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Man i am asking on advices on specific products, it doesn't mean i "need to ask". It's always better and discuss about points to improve. I do it also on my job but that doesn't mean i am not good at it..
I have been using this FFP 3-20x50 US PMII scope for several years now and could not be happier. Low turret on the top that is lockable, p4Lfine reticle illuminated that does not cover too much,not too busy but lets you measure things at distance. When I grab my rifle with this scope on I know I have the best.
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