Natural England Pilot Sussex Woods Landscape Deer Management Initiative

wytonpjs

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For those who may have skipped over the detail in my recent Deer Coordinator opportunity here I'm adding this second post because there's a lot more to this role that could impact upon Sussex stalkers more than perhaps they realise. Specifically:

"The Sussex Woods pilot has been set up to address a growing fallow deer population which is having significant impacts on Protected Sites as well as other stakeholders (farmers, foresters, public). Traditional deer management approaches have proved ineffective due to the fallow’s high mobility and the nature of this landscape – a mix of woodland and arable land-use with multiple land ownership and numerous ‘safe havens’. The pilot seeks to engage landowners and other stakeholders to work together to facilitate and incentivise collaborative and sustainable deer management at a landscape scale, leading to an improvement in woodland condition of Protected Sites."

The key responsibilities of the coordinator are to:

1. Set up and coordinate Deer Management groups (DMGs) – this will require regular communication and engagement with landowners and stalkers within the pilot area as well as other conservation partners. Specific duties include:
o Provide regular updates to DMG members
o Provide regular updates to Sussex Woods project team and attend internal team meetings (fortnightly). Occasional attendance at external meetings / workshops may be required.
o Organise workshops and training (DSC1 / 2 & First Aid)
o Develop a mentoring programme for new & existing stalkers
o Set up a programme of collaborative cull days within pilot area
o Input into quarterly newsletter
2. Support landowners with submission of Night License application – the Sussex Woods pilot is trialling a new ‘contiguous’ Night License approach involving multiple landowners within the pilot area. The co-ordinator will be required to work closely with the Pilot’s Deer Management Advisor to provide all necessary information for this application.
3. To input into other pilot workstreams such as development of local venison supply chain & assisting the external evaluators to review the effectiveness of landowner engagement within DMGs.


The pilot area is South of Midhurst and North of Chichester:

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This builds upon comments made at the recent excellent FC conference in relation to incentivising future grants and coordinated action in the landscape. IMHO, such an approach is essential if the ever-increasing herds of fallow are to be properly managed but others will no doubt disagree. I for one welcome this initiative, but its not my backyard.

Discuss......................:stir::popcorn:
 
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This is a fantastic area of the country. With some very good work already being done, but a very long way still to come. Some areas are on the way others are a very long way behind.
Whoever gets this role better be up for a very interesting challenge, and be willing to try and break the mold with new ideas, along with push down some boundary's, this won't be deer management as most people understand it at the moment, this has the potential to rewrite peoples understanding of landscape deer management, and the methods required.
 
That literally skims the edge of a good friends of mine's ground. I can attest to the number of fallow in the north west of the map. not unusual to see 100+ grazing whilst we're out for rabbits at night.
 
This builds upon comments made at the recent excellent FC conference in relation to incentivising future grants and coordinated action in the landscape. IMHO, such an approach is essential if the ever-increasing herds of fallow are to be properly managed but others will no doubt disagree. I for one welcome this initiative, but its not my backyard.
Agreed. How could anyone not be delighted to see a properly co-ordinated approach to consistent fallow management across a large area? The impacts of such high numbers of fallow are so great that we should all clamouring for it for the benefit of the environment of the whole landscape.

A night licence is an essential tool but it's basically just fire-fighting. The key is to get the pressure onto the landowners of those 'safe havens'.
 
Is there any legal recourse for either forcing owners to do something or even go onto there ground without their permission and cull?

Before my time I have heard the old boys on about the old Maff, back in the day, guessing 50s to 70s it had some power.
And by all accounts used them.
Even if the legal power exists its hard to believe they'd have balls to go onto someone's land to cull deer that doesnae want them culled.
Tabloids would have a field day

I have stories of them going onto to farms to control rabbits, ragwort and even cross bred bulls ( I was told in past illegal to have a non castrated X bull)

Depending on yhe size of the refuges it might be hard to really get on top of them.
Even with night licences big herds of Fallow are bad to manage without educating them.
Nv/thermal might help compared to a lamp, assuming that's is legal down south with night licences
 
Wake up and smell the roses.

THIS IS THE DI
I may have missed something, but you do seem to have a huge chip on your shoulder about the old DI, you bring them up a lot.

Read the advert, this is not the DI the closest thing we have the the old DI is now the FC deer officers. This is an advert by Natural England, that has come about due to a large number of SSSIs in failing condition due to deer numbers. If whoever takes the post manages to start joined up thinking between estates/landowners regarding deer management, then brilliant its been a long time coming.
Perhaps it may be the start of a change in the deer industry, there are far to many people, looking at the past with rose tinted specs and carrying chips on shoulders. Deer management needs to change with a raising of standards and with especially Fallow the ability to think management on a landscape scale using multiple land owners.
Good luck to any applicants.
 
I may have missed something, but you do seem to have a huge chip on your shoulder about the old DI, you bring them up a lot.

Read the advert, this is not the DI the closest thing we have the the old DI is now the FC deer officers. This is an advert by Natural England, that has come about due to a large number of SSSIs in failing condition due to deer numbers. If whoever takes the post manages to start joined up thinking between estates/landowners regarding deer management, then brilliant its been a long time coming.
Perhaps it may be the start of a change in the deer industry, there are far to many people, looking at the past with rose tinted specs and carrying chips on shoulders. Deer management needs to change with a raising of standards and with especially Fallow the ability to think management on a landscape scale using multiple land owners.
Good luck to any applicants.
Agree with everything you say there, but you’ve forgotten one vital point which is becoming glaringly obvious here in Scotland. The venison industry needs investment to promote our product along with these increased culls. The Scottish market is being drowned with carcasses, and the price is dropping!! Which in turn means folk don’t want to kill them.
I also feel that there is a drop in standard of deer going into the food chain with increased out of season culls. Who would eat venison again after eating an old stag shot in February!! And in all their wisdom, nature Scot want to remove the closed season on male red deer!!!!
 
I may have missed something, but you do seem to have a huge chip on your shoulder about the old DI, you bring them up a lot.

Read the advert, this is not the DI the closest thing we have the the old DI is now the FC deer officers. This is an advert by Natural England, that has come about due to a large number of SSSIs in failing condition due to deer numbers. If whoever takes the post manages to start joined up thinking between estates/landowners regarding deer management, then brilliant its been a long time coming.
Perhaps it may be the start of a change in the deer industry, there are far to many people, looking at the past with rose tinted specs and carrying chips on shoulders. Deer management needs to change with a raising of standards and with especially Fallow the ability to think management on a landscape scale using multiple land owners.
Good luck to any applicants.
We can agree to disagree on who we think is behind this.

As to standards I completely agree. The awful state of some carcasses seen in my local GD is truly atrocious. Not fit even for dog food.

In part the game dealers are at fault as they should reject them but I’ve heard stories of GD being threatened with being taken to court by groups over this issue.

Standards are underpinned by good training and also by the attitude of the stalker. The changes in the DSC2 in my opinion are a race to the bottom with regards to teaching and training practical skills and were driven by greed and money for the organisations rather than improving standards of carcass prep.

As such we do not have a fit for purpose examination system trains properly initially and which maintains standards from there on.

Enter the new kids on the block (you can call them what you like) who will present themselves as “properly” trained and able to provide a better standard than before. “Much better than your usual stalkers “ chat line.

What then happens is they push out the existing stalkers, some of whom are doing a very good job, take on huge contracts they cannot fulfil and it collapses back to chaos.

I agree that there needs to be an overhaul of the system. It needs massive investment which just isn’t there as we are in recession and all political parties are desperate not to loose votes. Reinventing a system pushed previously which didn’t work (yes the DI) is not the answer IMHO.

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Just a thought do DSC1 then do a 1 DAY course on gralloching and carcasses prep instead of DSC2 to get large game meat hygiene
 
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