Titanic Submersible missing

[Smellydog]

 

[Len the dog]

Hope its not 10mm

You may jest, but those holes look no bigger than M6, so a 10mm it is.

 

[Tim.243]

Easy trimix, just add He. Must have been quite narky at that depth.



Trained on the Inspiration in 1997 with Dave Thompson the bloke that built it and sold it to AP. Never really dived deep on it but did the advanced mix course so I could buy trimix diluent, narcosis free diving was a revelation.
Never raved about it, the fecking thing was always trying to catch you out and kill you.

Two of the six on my course were killed by it and more than a few of the people I met through diving a rebreather met the same fate, always a mistake by the operator!

I remember Dave T lol..I did my IDC in Malta in 97 and was doing 60m air dives with the CD lol

I remember doing the Arch in Dahab @60 on Air and deco gas not realy remembering much. Did it couple of days later with a re-mixed Helium gas and the head was as clear as a bell lol.

I got on well with Mark Ellyyat making him a few stainless back plates also he came for a day in the workshop to learn the basis of mig/stick.
He took us out to a wreck off the Nth Cornwall coast 55m deep.
Quite mad but full of knowledge...

 

[enfieldspares]

I would think the mention of the waivers is what keeps this out of court…they have essentially said they accept all liability for boarding the sub.

And, yet to become relevant, and I hope not will be the Death Duties liabilities.

Especially in the case of that father and son it could become a double tax. In law where two related people die in a simultaneous event where the exact time of death cannot be established the law holds that the oldest in age will be deemed to be the first in time to have died.

This means that if the father has left his estate to the son then death duties will apply and as, presumably, the son may have made no will the Rules of Intestacy will apply. So that estate will pass to the mother. On which again death duty will be payable.

So the estate will be subject to two 40% takes by the taxman. So £10,000,000 less 40% = £6,000,000 left after tax then that £6,000,000 less 40% again = £3,600.000 left after tax.

Let us still yet hope that out of common decency for our fellowman that all is not yet lost.

 

[User00035]

Unless the sub has already surfaced somewhere, I would think their chances of survival are now zero.

 

[User00035]

The US Coastguard are on location with various other agencies frantically searching for them, just heard on the news that banging was heard every 30 minutes for 4 hours, so sounds like they are still alive.
Realistically though, even if they locate the sub do they have an ROV that is capable of doing anything other than just filming them and giving them false hopes with its headlights?
If it is trapped in the wreck or underneath fallen debris, or even just incapacitated, then it would need the intervention of an ROV with a powerful manipulator, does one exist that works at that depth?

The British (Channel Islands-based) deep-sea company Magellan does have ROVs capable of working at greater depths than the Titanic and could potentially retrieve the sub. And they have offered their services to the US government which is leading the search, but have been refused. Presumably that's because it would take them four days to reach the site so there would be no point.

Magellan - Deep Water Specialists

Magellan are an independent global specialist in deep and ultra-deepwater site investigation, subsea intervention and seabed mapping.

www.magellan.gg

 

[jall55]

And, yet to become relevant, and I hope not will be the Death Duties liabilities.

Especially in the case of that father and son it could become a double tax. In law where two related people die in a simultaneous event where the exact time of death cannot be established the law holds that the oldest in age will be deemed to be the first in time to have died.

This means that if the father has left his estate to the son then death duties will apply and as, presumably, the son may have made no will the Rules of Intestacy will apply. So that estate will pass to the mother. On which again death duty will be payable.

So the estate will be subject to two 40% takes by the taxman. So £10,000,000 less 40% = £6,000,000 left after tax then that £6,000,000 less 40% again = £3,600.000 left after tax.

Let us still yet hope that out of common decency for our fellowman that all is not yet lost.

I dont really like to think about it but why would it not just pass to the wife first ?

 

[Hook'N'Bullet]

I dont really like to think about it but why would it not just pass to the wife first ?

I though the same - surely the will would state that it'd be left to the wife before going to the son.

So whether father and son or just father died, its go to the wife anyway until the event of her death?

 

[sikamalc]

Lets keep this respectful gentlemen. Remember this is an open forum and anyone can read the content.

Thank you

 

[enfieldspares]

I dont really like to think about it but why would it not just pass to the wife first ?

If he's levft all to his wife then yes, no death duties are liable. However if he's left it to his son then that would open that can of worms.

 

[jall55]

If he's levft all to his wife then yes, no death duties are liable. However if he's left it to his son then that would open that can of worms.

Not so much then because if married half is already hers anyway

 

[Shootgun]

Unless the sub has already surfaced somewhere, I would think their chances of survival are now zero.

And if is not found in good time, will make no difference, as is bolted from the outside

 

[enfieldspares]

And if is not found in good time, will make no difference, as is bolted from the outside

Yes. Once on the surface, or at safe depth, maybe it can be drilled and an airline inserted. But as you say until then it's what's left inside. I remember as a child seeing the film made about HMS Thetis "Morning Departure".

 

[User00035]

And if is not found in good time, will make no difference, as is bolted from the outside

A crazy design. The more we learn about this thing the more amazing it seems that this company ever got a license to operate.

 

[VSS]

A crazy design. The more we learn about this thing the more amazing it seems that this company ever got a license to operate.

And if people didn't do crazy things, most of the world would have remained unexplored.

 

[User00035]

And if people didn't do crazy things, most of the world would have remained unexplored.

Probably a good thing.
But the Titanic wreck is a known quantity. It's been dived multiple times since it was located in 1985. There's enough expertise to make it unnecessary to take the kind of risks this company seems to have taken.

 

[Smellydog]

And if people didn't do crazy things, most of the world would have remained unexplored.

Woohoo, I'm all for that

 

[User00040]

Meanwhile: Migrant crisis: Tunisian fisherman finds dead bodies in his net

 

[VSS]

Probably a good thing.
But the Titanic wreck is a known quantity. It's been dived multiple times since it was located in 1985. There's enough expertise to make it unnecessary to take the kind of risks this company seems to have taken.

It's not the risk that they've taken that bothers me - you've got to admire a risk taker - but the trouble and potential danger that is now being faced by those involved in the massive rescue operation.
By all means take risks, but don't drag other people into it when it all goes wrong.
You're on your own, you and your team. And even then it can degenerate into every man for himself. Just like when sh*t happens on the top of Everest. Remember the 1996 Everest disaster? I read a first-hand account recently, written by one of the few survivors of that expedition. Chilling.

 

[Rake Aboot]

I’ve never understood people who question why folk do these things.
What boring lives some must lead.
Make no bones about it , if the funds were there I would be in the queue for a trip to the bottom of the ocean.
And into space.