Yew Tree TLR springs to mind, probably the standard Yew Tree too, a couple of offerings from Virtus would do too.
I have seen those same figures on the other forum before - the key is the definition of expansion. Their definition is there is deformation of the tip, ie the petals have started to ‘flower’ even if only by a tiny amount. (Example attached - not my image)
Easy - Yew Tree TLR
Of course its an issue if a bullet does not expand at all in the case of a lung shot , very unlikely it will survive it but its going to be very hard to find it ! In the case of bow hunting its been known for deer to survive a lung shot and although i haven't witnessed this 9 having never hunted with a bow) i have seen photographs of deer lung with an obvious broad head shaped scaring to the lungs . Fact is good quality copper like Barnes TTSX is i have found very very good at killing deer ! I was unsure like many at first time hunting with copper bullets BUT THROUGH USE ON DEER I have actually found them absolutely Fantastic on terminal performance of deer . Deeper penetration than lead of any kind i have ever used and zero break up issues ( that i have experienced with lead ) . It is only natural that as range increases , velocity drops and this is and always has been a problem with lead and its not going to be any better with copper - So we must keep a check on ranges and avoid running the slow side with heavy for calibre and the flip side short distance shots at high velocity ( this last issue wont be any issue with a Barnes TTSX copper but it will be with lead ) I have had a few bullets in lead not exit at short range when sent really fast ! This is a none issue with copper Barnes TTSX . I Have not shot any other copper or other monolithic bullets into deer besides Barnes and i have been shooting copper from the time of the last lockdown . I have some other brands , with different design but i am leaving them in the gunroom ( where they have been for that afore mentioned timescale ) .
Shot loads of Gamekings and Pro-Hunter bullets from 243, 7-o8 , 308 . Good bullets for sure ! Dont even come close to the Barnes TTSX though when we talk deer in my experience. No disrespect mind just saying it how it is . 100 grain TTSX at 3300 fps from the 260 has done little muntjac proper close in though the range of species to big boy Stags to 400 yards. I have even made two mistakes culling , beasts that i doubt would have dropped so well to lead only one of those needed a second shot but he dropped holding his head up within a dash of 100-150 say ? Misread what later showed a much higher wind channelled unseen and not noticeable between us, quartering away from me , aim taken to enter at the rear rib ( yeah not ideal but culling it like that cant choose broadside tucked in behind the shoulder broadside) bullet went in just forward of the haunch , travelled though his huge stomach full to the brim with food into the chest cavity but only enough to get past the diaphragm. This was with 100 grain TTSX , would a game king have done that at the range ? Not in my experience ! The fast break-up and loss of mass as the bullet was passing through that full to the brim grass bag would have stopped well short if it was 100, 140 or 150 grains . Like i stress it was a mistake but the 100grn TTSX gave me the chance to put things right ! I suspect the extra weight / energy of the 120 version would have made the extra distance but i still , if i new how hard that wind was channelled through the two peaks i wouldn't have taken it . I have a goodly collection of spent TTSX now near enough every broadside shot ( some of them at above the distance most should or could shoot ) most bullets are recovered either just inside the exit hole or in the grass unless one petal breaks off on bone , have had none that failed to expand but around 400 plus although the 100 grain TTSX do slow up on a steep curve from the 3300 fps there is then very visible less expansion and bullets almost literally fall out the opposite side and i have picked them up!
Yes as bullets slow down there is less energy to initiate expansion.
dont forget the un-seen contamination from the lead that is lost , its not really lost of course it just sprayed onto and into the meat in fine particles " yummy eh ?" , 80-90% weight retention is something amazing in a lead bullet ( also very rare ) its very likely much more than that
But many on SD would state that lead is very yummy, and despite all the conspiracy theories by the WHO etc. lead does not do you any harm whatsoever. Besides is not the WHO a geriatric rock band? I believe that some now put lead pellets in their pepper grinders just to add more flavour
If i could go back and erase the toxins that i have been exposed to in work i would do ! I feel like the horses have bolted way too far but i do try my best " mostly " Asbestos blankets in pre-heating , no masks grinding , extraction systems that consisted of opening the door etc.But many on SD would state that lead is very yummy, and despite all the conspiracy theories by the WHO etc. lead does not do you any harm whatsoever. Besides is not the WHO a geriatric rock band? I believe that some now put lead pellets in their pepper grinders just to add more flavour
Okay here you go, these are the pictures from that roe at sub 50m - exit shown. It hasn’t blown up and left stupid exits like I have seen the frangible lead (that this is really compatible to) do.
