sporting rifle awards

[Orion]

Orion

http://www.shootingtimes.co.uk/news/492200/Marco_Pierre_White_bags_giant_peruke.html

It's thought to be the biggest on record.

Yes W_G, and I thought it was a load of b*ll*x when I read that story originally. Where are the 'records' for perruques and malforms ratified? AFAIK they don't exist and this was all a piece of pumped up sensationalism to prove something or other. IIRC the guy who sold the thing said at the time that the animal had been seen and the location fixed and something needed to be done urgently because it was possibly suffering. So did he reach for his rifle and put an end to it's misery? No way, not when you can ring an agent with a deep pocketed client who is willing to pay top dollar for something that gets puffed up as 'the biggest on record'! An interesting and rare head no doubt, but a 'record' one?

The thing even gets pride of place on the BASC trophy measuring service annual report - http://www.basc.org.uk/en/utilities/document-summary.cfm/docid/7039EA99-5C40-4ACA-AF64AF75691F3E81 - although it states, "The perruque is a much sought-after trophy and is rightfully described as the perfect cull buck, being destined for a slow and miserable death if left unshot". Shouldn't that read that you shouldn't leave it unshot unless you can sell it for megabucks?

Anyhow, where are the experts who say it's the biggest ever seen - probably receiving awards at the SR awards fest?

 

[ROE308]

is the rumer true that marco's mum has been appointed senior measurer to the BASC/sporting rifle scheme

 

[daverl]

In terms of credibility could i point out that if you want a valid CIC measurement you go to the CIC, same for SCI, Boone and Crocket and also Rowland Ward. A certificate from basc and sporting rifle has no such validity as they are not authorised by any of the above groups to issue measurments using the formulae of these organisations.

 

[jamross65]

there seems to be alot of i heared going on in this thread and not much in the way of firm evidence, there are only two people who will ever know how much was paid for that head possibly three. if someone is willing to offer more than the next man for something he is passionate about then i say good luck to him!! how many of you go on ebay ? you win you were willing to pay more than the last man, just MPW is fortunate enough to have slightly deeper pockets than most of us which i am sure he works pretty hard for!! touch of the green eyed monster creeping out here

It has nothing to do with the green eyed monster as far as I can see. It is to do with appreciating what stalking (in the true sense of the word) or perhaps deer management would be a better description, is actually about.

Purchasing an item on ebay could not be any further removed from killing an animal!

If the stories are true about turning up with only an hour to spare in which to shoot that buck, please tell me what he learnt from that experience?

Yeh, lots of respect shown for the quarry...

But at the end of the day notoriety of holding records achieved.

 

[cicuk]

! An interesting and rare head no doubt, but a 'record' one?

In terms of records, you may be interested in a recently published book by a Hungarian author Laszlo Bozoki, who listed the top European Roe heads measured by the CIC, by country. Also included is a list of the "First Hundred European Roe Deer", the first half page of which is attached. Interesting to note that the UK provides 7 out of the top 20
.View attachment Bozoki European Roe.pdf
TDW

 

[liongeorge]

It has nothing to do with the green eyed monster as far as I can see. It is to do with appreciating what stalking (in the true sense of the word) or perhaps deer management would be a better description, is actually about.

Purchasing an item on ebay could not be any further removed from killing an animal!

If the stories are true about turning up with only an hour to spare in which to shoot that buck, please tell me what he learnt from that experience?

Yeh, lots of respect shown for the quarry...

But at the end of the day notoriety of holding records achieved.

I felt the same about MPW as many people and held the many of asumptions with no foundation in fact/proof. I personally don't enjoy his cooking things.
It may be true that he turns up and shoots a medal buck having just walked across a field for it once in a while, but I also know fact that he is a stalker and deer manager in that he manages the roe deer for trophies.
I know the keeper on a Hampshire estate where he has shot two of his gold medals. He has been visiting the estate for the last few years up to a dozen times a year decides which animals to leave etc and seems to get results.
That's a hell of alot more stalking and managing that many on here could dream of , that does not take into consideration his other shooting acivity that one can only speculate about.


So I say give the bloke a chance unless you can dfiately prove what he has or has not been up to. One things for sure he is passionate about the sport we love and that can't be all bad.

 

[Orion]

In terms of records, you may be interested in a recently published book by a Hungarian author Laszlo Bozoki, who listed the top European Roe heads measured by the CIC, by country. Also included is a list of the "First Hundred European Roe Deer", the first half page of which is attached. Interesting to note that the UK provides 7 out of the top 20
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Thanks for that. I see that Baillie gets a mention - was that the 'monster' head that caused some controversy, or is it another?

 

[Von]

I purhased "sporting rifle" mag this month with regards to seeing the Sika Stag on the front cover and the off chance that somebody has wrote an article on Sika thats differant from the norm! No way, same old, were they came from etc!

What really got my attention was the fact the "Marco Piere White" had been given some made up "stalker of the year award" no disrespect to Mr White but what a load of cack! I think Mr Carr etc need to stop making up "silly awards" etc like this. Any body with the money like Marco Piere White can shoot what they want, were they want, and when they want to!

Here's an intesting fact about Sika though, Mr Carr! Speaking to Mr Robert Balfour the other day (now owner of Dawyck estates in Peebleshire) who's great, great, great grandfather in 1908 purchased 10 Sika deer in asia as ornamental deer for the estate. When the deer arrived in the uk and were being unloaded of the ship it was noticed that the origonal ten had turned into eleven, one of the hinds had a calf during the journey. So from the origonal eleven Sika deer introduced to Peebleshire in 1908 at least 600 -700 a year are culled.

 

[Daniel]

It has nothing to do with the green eyed monster as far as I can see. It is to do with appreciating what stalking (in the true sense of the word) or perhaps deer management would be a better description, is actually about.

Purchasing an item on ebay could not be any further removed from killing an animal!

If the stories are true about turning up with only an hour to spare in which to shoot that buck, please tell me what he learnt from that experience?

Yeh, lots of respect shown for the quarry...

But at the end of the day notoriety of holding records achieved.

Unfortunatly he probably gained nothing from the stalk if what you heared was true but whos to say that is what actually happened and untill one of the three people present come on here to give you a run down of how the stalk went and how much MPW paid for the privalage, its all rumours and speculation.
whilst i apprieciate that the majority of us are sportsman at hart there are unfortunatly many people in the shooting world that will pay a premium price to be the lucky person to pull the trigger. and unfortunatly if they offer to pay more than the next man then they win that opertunity (Just like ebay) the said thing is that certain people see the whole thing as a transaction and thats all it is to them, another head on the wall !! they have no concept of managment or what a proper stalk is but who to say that MPW is one of these people, for all we know he could have been there at 3:00am stakled all day and had it last knockings.

 

[David63]

There is no 'patron' of the BASC head measuring scheme. Its simply a service we offer to our members. Contrary to what our friend above says, BASC head measurers are perfectly entitled to measure heads using a set standard of criteria and award medals and certificates as we see fit, to those heads which meet the criteria we set down.

It is BASC medal and a BASC certificate that we issue.

If somone wants a CIC medal / certificate then yes, go to the CIC.

We have some ideas for some more deer realted events stating in 2012 if we can get it all sorted and all being well Marco and others may well be involved ( with or without stock cubes) and we also want to promote further our head measuring service to our members. Nothing wrong with that.

As to awards, I would love to hear from you guys the criteria you would set down for an award for a stalker - thanks.

Best wishes

David

 

[eggy s]

Macro is not a stalker he is a dear killer. There is a big difference.

 

[Kezer9]

Stalker of the year

I don't mind sporting rifle it's a decent read, one thing that gets under my skin with these awards is how can somebody be given a title of stalker of the year, because he can afford to pay for gold medal heads, so basically the award should be renamed richest stalker, I know that all the stalkers in and around the area that he shoots all pick up the phone as soon as a gold is spotted as they know of the rich rewards coming there way, pretty smart if you ask me a fool
And his money and all that, a friend of mine is one of his eyes on the ground he has had a few medals on this lads ground, he got a gold on there and left him a tip that would make your toes curl. I know lads all over the country who have stalked from being kids and could teach all these guys a thing or 2 but I suppose it always looks better to have a celebrity chef holding the title rather than some old school stalking legend.
Anyway that's my opinion and I know it stands for nothing.
Regards
Kezer

 

[Offroad Gary]

didnt that photographer chap shoot a fox with a .338 or something - can you get that condition???

 

[Lakey]

In terms of records, you may be interested in a recently published book by a Hungarian author Laszlo Bozoki, who listed the top European Roe heads measured by the CIC, by country. Also included is a list of the "First Hundred European Roe Deer", the first half page of which is attached. Interesting to note that the UK provides 7 out of the top 20
.View attachment 9852
TDW

What Marco 14th............ He's not going to be very happy about that

 

[Brithunter]

Oh dear..................... my world must be very small as before reading this I have never heard of Marco and would honestly no know him if I ran over him.

 

[eggy s]

I know that all the stalkers in and around the area that he shoots all pick up the phone as soon as a gold is spotted as they know of the rich rewards coming there way, pretty smart if you ask me a fool
Kezer

That's a load of crap. He stalks Hampshire, myself and 2 friends have plenty of ground in that county and he is the last person any of us would call.
I can promise you now he will never shoot on my patch even if he offered over the odds.

 

[cicuk]

..... BASC head measurers are perfectly entitled to measure heads using a set standard of criteria and award medals and certificates as we see fit, to those heads which meet the criteria we set down.

It is BASC medal and a BASC certificate that we issue.

If somone wants a CIC medal / certificate then yes, go to the CIC.

David,

May I assume from your comments, that BASC are going to devise their own measuring system for use in the UK, or are they intending to continue to breach the CIC's International copyright on the Red and Blue Books and its measuring system?

Tony DW

 

[gtb]

David,

Can you confirm, as reported in the Sporting Rifle, that Marco Pierre White will indeed be the patron of your new joint scheme?

Can you also confirm what this new role involves?

 

[Wolverine]

A perruque head cannot be measured or judged under the CIC formulae. To claim any such head as a record is not possible. Nor is it is possible to record such a head in the CIC lists. If any confirmation is required please refer to the Game Trophies of the World, The Red Book

Correct and besides,Hugh Tawse at Rothes has a bigger perruque than MPW one anyway,it was in the BASC magazine

 

[Kezer9]

Marco

That's a load of crap. He stalks Hampshire, myself and 2 friends have plenty of ground in that county and he is the last person any of us would call.
I can promise you now he will never shoot on my patch even if he offered over the odds.

Eggy I do appologise old chap, I meant to say allot of stalkers not all I didn't mean to tar you and your friends with the same brush.
Regards
Kezer