capstan winch cheap version

[dlz90]

.308

www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk

Here's something of interest a lot cheaper than the portable winch.

Maybe worth a look

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[jthyttin]

I have no experience in that (and only little experience in capstans overall) but it looks that drum is quite small (backed up by the info that you need 6 wraps).

And if you think PCW3000 is noisy, just wait to hear this thing at 7000rpm!

Overall it seems lower cost alternative in all ways. Skimped on engine, and probly on gearbox. Do your research regarding the spare parts, as mentioned. To me "Made in Italy" is a curse not a praise...

EDIT: forgot to say, the 25 meters per minute is quite high, and since the drum is small I suspect it could be "interesting" to throttle the speed. Maybe rope burn and such, or jerky movement. Speed is fine on clear ground but when you need to avoid obstacles, go around trees etc. it's not so fun anymore.

 

[dlz90]

I have no experience in that (and only little experience in capstans overall) but it looks that drum is quite small (backed up by the info that you need 6 wraps).

And if you think PCW3000 is noisy, just wait to hear this thing at 7000rpm!

Overall it seems lower cost alternative in all ways. Skimped on engine, and probly on gearbox. Do your research regarding the spare parts, as mentioned. To me "Made in Italy" is a curse not a praise...

EDIT: forgot to say, the 25 meters per minute is quite high, and since the drum is small I suspect it could be "interesting" to throttle the speed. Maybe rope burn and such, or jerky movement. Speed is fine on clear ground but when you need to avoid obstacles, go around trees etc. it's not so fun anymore.

Yes lots of things to consider.

I don't know much about them but it's something else to consider at less cost, as mentioned not everyone can justify the cost of the portable winch, they have gone up considerably in price lately.

In my experience it was worth the pain the old adage buy once cry once rings true here.

D

 

[.308]

I would guess 10m per minute about right for the 3000 petrol unit, and it's way more powerful than you'd believe or need for any deer on these islands,.

I've used mine for timber extraction also and it never ceases to amaze me and anyone with me with it's capability.

Something else of note its easy to get parts for in the event of damage or failure a very important consideration for the long haul.

All in it was very much worth the investment.

D

Where you get the parts etc and what parts did you need

 

[dlz90]

Where you get the parts etc and what parts did you need

The only thing I needed for mine was the capture hook leading the rope to the drum.

Pulling in a big stag one evening into the darkness all good fun I forgot to keep an eye on the bowline knot it pulled into the hook and mangled it

It was easy enough to straighten but I got a couple of spares from the company I bought it from Forest and Arb uk, a great company with very competitive prices.

D


Edit.

I looked the Forest and Arb website there it seems they don't have any portable winch in stock at present unfortunately, but are well worth a ring if you do decide to go this route.

Good luck.

D

 

[devon deer stalker]

The only thing I needed for mine was the capture hook leading the rope to the drum.

Pulling in a big stag one evening into the darkness all good fun I forgot to keep an eye on the bowline knot it pulled into the hook and mangled it

Glad I'm not on my own with that error

 

[75]

It's the towing the quad I don't want rather travel light just think the price of capstan is bit dear for a gearbox with a year warranty. Is there no1 else that's made somthing up at a price for the less privileged

Depends a bit on what you need. Are you dragging them out of steep grassy fields over long distances or short pulls up steep gullies and bits of forestry?

Various things you could cobble together for the latter - manual boat winch for example. Slow but v cheap and ok for short distances but I wouldn’t want to do 100yds with one.

 

[StephenToast]

If you had 100yds of rope plus a block and tackle with 10yds of pull it would be slow and you'd have to set it up repeatedly but it would work. Probably no more than £40 to set up.

 

[Bowland blades]

Just a Hillbilly trick . You can rig a ratchet strap ( of a given size ) as a "come along " type winch . Its really best to have two folks capable of lifting when your on big stags . I can still just put a red Stag in the back of a pickup still but its getting a bit dodgy and i wont do more than the odd one now

 

[Bavarianbrit]

Why not cut the beast into smaller pieces if for personal use like the US pack it out method?
I know the hygiene key thumpers will pillory for this.

 

[zambezi]

The Lewis chainsaw winch posted above looked interesting. Below is a video showing its usage loading a vehicle on a trailer.

 

[.308]

Why not cut the beast into smaller pieces if for personal use like the US pack it out method?
I know the hygiene key thumpers will pillory for this.

I sell the stags as I wouldn't eat them but farmers looking a good few culled this year so trying to keep everyone happy

 

[devon deer stalker]

Just a Hillbilly trick . You can rig a ratchet strap ( of a given size ) as a "come along " type winch . Its really best to have two folks capable of lifting when your on big stags . I can still just put a red Stag in the back of a pickup still but its getting a bit dodgy and i wont do more than the odd one now

I've posted before but this works although I use my capstan winch now.
Your idea of ratchet strap also works attached to rear of tub

 

[.308]

After looking them up on the forest and arb website d they actually are robbery. The attachments etc I'd be cheaper to hire a helicopter to airlift them. And loading to vehicle is no problem its getting to vehicle causes me issues.
As for buy once cry once I wouldn't cry I'd have heart failure at those prices. Its only a rich mane game now.

 

[jthyttin]

If you had 100yds of rope plus a block and tackle with 10yds of pull it would be slow and you'd have to set it up repeatedly but it would work. Probably no more than £40 to set up.

I'm quite sceptical about this.

First, you'd be looking closer to £1 per yard of rope, since you want something that has no stretch and is abrasion resistant.

Secondly, you need something like 50y of rope for 10y pull (assuming the 100y is between the beast and block/tackle setup).

And third, in addition to 10 setups for 100y drag, you'd be pulling for something like 1000y (400-500y back and forth). This is assuming you don't try to pull with your arms.

 

[jthyttin]

Its only a rich mane game now.

Reduction gearboxes are readily available, as are motors and capstan spools.

If you complain about R&D etc. that somebody else has done (and tries to capitalize on), you're welcome to brew your own.

 

[.308]

Reduction gearboxes are readily available, as are motors and capstan spools.

If you complain about R&D etc. that somebody else has done (and tries to capitalize on), you're welcome to brew your own.

Out of curiosity what's r and d and if I thought I could get bits cheaper and assemble I certainly would

 

[jthyttin]

Research&Development, might not sound much in addition to everything else a business needs do, well to stay in business. But we live in somewhat free economy so if Portable Winch Co asks £1200 for PCW3000 and there is enough "air" in the price some other player will more or less copy it and sell cheaper. Now we saw there is another similar product for half the price. If BB610 at £600 is as good as PCW3000 at £1200, obviously market shares will change and companies need to adjust either their prices, processes or target different areas. There's also the possibility that PCW3000 has some qualities to warrant the higher price.

If you want to put together a winch, obviously the manufacturer isn't selling all the components cheaper than the complete product, vice versa. You need to do your own R&D, probably manufacture some parts etc. Here's a kickstart:

1. find suitable motor, and note RPM you want to run it, try to get torque value
2. find or make a spool suitable for capstan operation, measure diameter
3. steal R&D from companies by deciding the retrieve speed you want, say 10mpm
4. calculate the spool revolutions needed
5. find suitable reduction gearbox that can take the initial RPM, initial torque and achieve desired RPM at spool
6. go back and forth steps 1-5 until you have suitable combination
7. find a way to get the parts together, probably manufacturing some kind of chassis or adapter plates in the process

 

[devon deer stalker]

After looking them up on the forest and arb website d they actually are robbery. The attachments etc I'd be cheaper to hire a helicopter to airlift them. And loading to vehicle is no problem its getting to vehicle causes me issues.
As for buy once cry once I wouldn't cry I'd have heart failure at those prices. Its only a rich mane game now.

No, you buy the winch, then purchase the rest elsewhere, especially the rope

 

[StephenToast]

I'm quite sceptical about this.

First, you'd be looking closer to £1 per yard of rope, since you want something that has no stretch and is abrasion resistant.

Whatever solution you come up with you have to buy a long length of rope with those parameters.

Secondly, you need something like 50y of rope for 10y pull (assuming the 100y is between the beast and block/tackle setup).

Yes you would.

And third, in addition to 10 setups for 100y drag, you'd be pulling for something like 1000y (400-500y back and forth). This is assuming you don't try to pull with your arms.

Yes you would. But you'd effectively be pulling half or a third of the weight.

The OP wanted a cheap option. You get what you pay for.

another option is a bloody long rope and a pulley to change the direction of pull, then use your vehicle to pull the deer.

Or. Buy a winch, or an ATV, or both.