Electric Car Debate
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Namman
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Dry steam?
Namman
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Yes , water vapour is only moist when it's turning back to water..Dry steam?
Well I never!!
Foxyboy43
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Somebody needs to tell the weathergods - sea mist round here is drenching! Also buggers up the NV completely.
Was discussing this topic with a colleague last week & said that I have yet to see any published data that makes direct comparison of the whole life environmental impact of an EV vs an ICE car.
Too many people in power are jumping on the band wagon that’s focused, supposedly, on improving conditions locally but are missing the bigger picture - whether through lack of awareness, naivety or convenience.
If we really want to influence global warming & improve air quality then we need to stop buying cheap tat made in countries where they don’t give two hoots about air quality & then getting it shipped halfway around the world to our local consumers.
I did some consultancy work for a UK based and owned company a few years back who were developing low emmision vehicles - they went bust because their ‘model’ didn’t fit with the whole EV principle. Pity really as they’d have had a much more viable product made in the UK if they’d succeeded!
Too many people in power are jumping on the band wagon that’s focused, supposedly, on improving conditions locally but are missing the bigger picture - whether through lack of awareness, naivety or convenience.
If we really want to influence global warming & improve air quality then we need to stop buying cheap tat made in countries where they don’t give two hoots about air quality & then getting it shipped halfway around the world to our local consumers.
I did some consultancy work for a UK based and owned company a few years back who were developing low emmision vehicles - they went bust because their ‘model’ didn’t fit with the whole EV principle. Pity really as they’d have had a much more viable product made in the UK if they’d succeeded!
Great listening. I have thought these same things for a while now but the facts don't lie. Just pushing one agenda seems very narrow minded. What happened to LPG? I know maybe not fully eco but it's a step in the right direction for all the existing petrol cars etc.
Jcbs hydrogen engine is worth looking at but seems to have been brushed under the carpet for everything to be electric.
Massive batteries are not the way forward in my eyes, there just as polluting I believe as most other options.
Jcbs hydrogen engine is worth looking at but seems to have been brushed under the carpet for everything to be electric.
Massive batteries are not the way forward in my eyes, there just as polluting I believe as most other options.
Bavarianbrit
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New Holland tractor with the new methane powered ICE version?
ASDA, Tesco, Gregory's, Sainsburys and others have Volvo's are LNG, Waitrose and most buses that have I'm a green bus are CNG all can be biomethane.
If a farm had a AD plant and upgrader they would only need a compressor and some storage for a CNG tractor as mentioned above
If a farm had a AD plant and upgrader they would only need a compressor and some storage for a CNG tractor as mentioned above
Steam is classified as wet or dry. Wet steam contains water droplets suspended in the steam. Dry steam contains no suspended water droplets in the steam. As previously mentioned, saturated steam has just enough heat to remain in a gaseous state.
There you go its both - I only know the wet stuff.
There you go its both - I only know the wet stuff.
long_range_rob
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A local farmer set up a biogas digester thingy and the uproar from the local nimbys was amazing.
I googled " is steam wet" and that was the answer. fog and mist result from a drop in atmospheric temperature which falls below the 'dew point' causing moisture to be precipitated from the atmosphere around dust particles - mist. A massive chemical reaction results in 'Smog'. Fog is - "Steam fog forms when cold air moves over warm water. When the cool air mixes with the warm moist air over the water, the moist air cools until its humidity reaches 100% and fog forms.
So it would appear fog is a form of mist but probably is distinguished from mist by the degree of loss of visibility. Or, Fog is a bad case of mist ?
So it would appear fog is a form of mist but probably is distinguished from mist by the degree of loss of visibility. Or, Fog is a bad case of mist ?
Woodenbeam
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Rachel Mathews would get my vote - you know it’s coming in 25 years time…………did you buy an EV, we can submit your claim now, £1,000’s to be claimed on your behalf for the mis-selling scandal of the decade.
I wonder what her views on lead are
I wonder what her views on lead are
Wouldn't it be just great if a British company could manufacture & market conversions for ICE engines, or replacement/exchange units, that could go into existing cars? - a hydrogen powered Td5 or Tdv6 for example or even a V8! (yes I drive a LR & I know other 4x4s are available & of course this equally applies to Toyotas, Mitsubishis, Jimnys, etc - in fact Toyota already make a hydrogen powered car I believe).
I'd happily change the engine in my D2 for a hydrogen one but no way would I spend out on getting an electric conversion. Yes the hydrogen infrastructure is non existent at the moment but electric charging is way behind the curve too so both need significant investment & it'd be a lot easier to get retailers to invest in hydrogen filling stations than getting local authorities and energy companies to install EV charging in public car parks!
shakey jake
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child labour is an awkward one, if the kids cant mine how should they earn money?
yes it would be lovely if all kids played in the parks and got a great education but the worlds not like that. for young girls the jobs would be pretty grim
yes it would be lovely if all kids played in the parks and got a great education but the worlds not like that. for young girls the jobs would be pretty grim
