Fox Red Labs vs Black Labs

[druimmuir]

Colour makes no difference except for chocolate .....avoid chocolates i'm yet to see a decent working one
Go for what you like in terms of colour, health and breeding the overall package not just the colour....if you like it you will put 100% into training regardless of colour

 

[Bowland blades]

But fox reds are just duck tolling dogs crossed with the original black Labrador (st johns water dog)

So called fox red is just your regular yellow gene , which actually varies from almost white through the shades to the darkest red. Its been about from the earliest days of the st John water dog. Chocolate is i believe a kind of " blended gene " an abnormal mutation " in the pet lines of the Lab within our lifetime .

 

[Moray]

No good dog comes in the wrong colour ! Fox red is frankly a yellow lab that is a tad darker depending molt by molt . It does not frankly bother me which colour , with the exception of the Chocolate and that's just because it comes from pet lines a mutation / blended gene comprising of both black and yellow .

One of my mates has a chocolate dog along with a black and works just as hard /we'll
Picking up .wildfowling. and will sent track if required. And will work the beaters line four days a week .no problem
So again don't judge by colour it's the beasts ability that counts.
If you see the back of the truck it's like a paint factory along with a GWP and a cocker in the mix All colours . If it works good would take a pink one . Without a second thought.

 

[Bowland blades]

One of my mates has a chocolate dog along with a black and works just as hard /we'll
Picking up .wildfowling. and will sent track if required. And will work the beaters line four days a week .no problem
So again don't judge by colour it's the beasts ability that counts.
If you see the back of the truck it's like a paint factory along with a GWP and a cocker in the mix All colours . If it works good would take a pink one . Without a second thought.

Was referring to the chocolate because the colour comes from pet / show lines . I still dont think there has been a chocolate lab that's been made up yet ? However there will surely be a few that work well in the field i have personally seen a few get along for their owners though and used to shoot with a fella who had one as his stalking dog , it tracked pretty good but it needed to as he was a very poor shot . I have also seen various mongrels and have owned 3 lurchers in the past that made good enough rough shooting dogs . Its just not the norm, like i say are their any Chocolate Labs that have been made up yet ? To be fair i dont think there are . Its not the colour that does it of course its the lines.

 

[Chriscotter]

So called fox red is just your regular yellow gene , which actually varies from almost white through the shades to the darkest red. Its been about from the earliest days of the st John water dog. Chocolate is i believe a kind of " blended gene " an abnormal mutation " in the pet lines of the Lab within our lifetime .

The St John’s water dogs were only black the fox red comes from the duck tolling dogs when the SJWD were imported to Newfoundland

 

[Covert]

The St John’s water dogs were only black the fox red comes from the duck tolling dogs when the SJWD were imported to Newfoundland

Seen plenty of fox reds with vizla traits.

 

[Monty3006]

Are you guys who say no to the chocolate labs talking about ones that come from the same litters as blacks and yellows that you would be happy with? Or is it the case that they aren’t born in litters of working lines?

 

[paul k]

I think that there’s a potential problem with dogs being bred for colour rather than working characteristics. You don’t see many choccies in the shooting field.

 

[countrryboy]

The above is about right.

When dogs of a certain colour/characteristic are in higher demand due to fashion prices will rise.
That only causes more folk to breed dogs of that colour purely for cash.
Just means sh#te bitches are being bred from because of there colour and often just put to any dog of that colour.
That's wot ruined chocolate dogs too many folk breeding sh#te and a small gene pool.
Seen odd decent working chocs over the years, but u don't see many on shoots really.


Personally not a massive fan of yellow dogs, but have nothing against them either just always had black k labs.
As has been said a good dog is never the wrong colour.
I would say if I was after a yellow or especially a red lab and I didn't know the breeder/dogs, I would be more careful with looking at the breeding and how good the bitch. really is.

 

[Alex88]

Well this post has been a really interesting read. Surely there isn't any vizsla blood in the fox reds is there, because then they couldn't be KC registered? I assumed development would just have been selecting for the darkest of yellow labs repeatedly, until the fox red coloring occurs.

 

[f911swk]

these ones seem to do alright,must have dyed a black one

Working Gundogs Stewart North - Working Chocolate Labradors, Breeder

Kennel Club Assured Breeder of Working Chocolate Labradors based in Leicestershire - Chocolate Gundog, Labrador Retrievers, Chocolate Labradors,

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[ejg]

Our two girls...

edi

 

[Ben23]

I had a choccy lab growing up, 16 years(!) so really do love them. Was just a pet though. Never seen one in the field (in real life) but if I was happy with a litter and breeder, if one were to come out chocolate I’d consider it as the lines would still be the same. No?

 

[f911swk]

we had a bitch from sweeps standing oak line,easy to train hard working dog.

on shoots you do get the its brown so must be thick comments but was easily the best dog ive had for flushing and pick up.

the line of hers are in the grangemead dogs now and mistriss milly[not google safe

 

[Pedro]

Just felt the urge to put this image of my red lab on. The eyes follow you. Could be used to recruit beaters maybe, like the WW1 poster. We need you....

 

[Pedro]

Of course you, in some circumstances when on a driven shoot need to be a bit careful around trigger happy maybe not so experienced guns with a fox red Lab. Especially if the guns have been told to take any safe foxes. Nearly happened to my son's dog (who is the mother of mine). A shout in time prevented disaster and a very apologetic feller.

 

[paul k]

I’m sure that there’s the odd decent working chocolate lab, there was one on my shoot, but it’s still a fact that they are rare in the field and I know of at least one boarding kennel that won’t take them. I saw a chocolate flatcoat in my local vets last month and I have to say that it was a handsome dog.

 

[TRNCNDNT]

Our two girls...

edi

Little beauties those 2!

 

[TRNCNDNT]

Also, your rifle looks a lot how mine is going to look. Getting that exact colour PSE stock with barreled action in FDE.

 

[Morkai]

When my partners parents went to see a chocolate lab from a rescue centre he was a handsome well groomed dog.....

They arranged to collect him, turned up that morning only to find the fool had escaped his pen and got into the neighbouring pen which was being painted white...

When they saw him he looked like a liver and white spaniel with a huge grin and wagging tail.