Do you think that the current shooting test for the DSC1 qualification is suitable or sufficient?
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That is ridiculous…5mm outside the circle the assessor should be using his discretion.
Morkai
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Missed by 5mm.
"Yes sir, but Im using a .338 Lapua, the other side of the deer is now missing so that 5mm doesnt matter".
Why can the trainer assessor/instructor not tell if a shot is a heart/lung etc? They assess the simulated stalk so no reason they can’t do the same on the shooting test.
Brave Echo Niner
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There would end up being discrepancies in where assessors judged the heart/lung area to be. It ensures ensure the test is objective, rather than subjective, where possible preventing problems such as bias (conscious or unconscious) from assessors, difference in opinion, accusations of unfair conduct etc.
I also don't understand why there is the desire to make the test even easier? It is by no means a very exacting standard of marksmanship required currently. The old test, while being slightly harder was still a very easy test to pass with a basic ability to shoot.
Ben
It's a test with a standard that has to be equally applied across the country.
How much discretion then? Where do you stop? Can you imagine 2 candidates, one 5mm out PASS. The other 7mm out FAIL?
It would end with handbags at dawn.
Why is it any different to being subjective on the simulated stalk?
If the instructors are trusted to mark a test etc why can they not assess a target?
NoIDeer
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The DSC1 course is a basic introduction to the process, the test is a target shooting exercise.
So again - why is that any different to them assessing the simulated stalk? Do we not trust the instructors?
My 2P is if they put cost up to £500 a ticket or flat £500 for both if renewed at same time. It wouldn’t bother me at all as let’s face it it’s only £100/year. And within that cost they (police) set a contract with for the like of the mid west with wms firearms todo a basic firearm safe handling course what they (wms) then notify the relivent force. Be a fairly basic thing to deal with and at least there is something in place as there is in other countries.
You my friend are far richer than I and that price hike would probably sadly see the end of my shooting.
Most money I’ve spent was £525 on a barely used (maybe used to sight in) Tikka T3. All my other gear has been less than that.
Having been unwell and in hospital for almost 2yrs wiped out £20k of savings we had.
So all big money spending in our house has to looked at carefully.
If the candidate is using a borrowed estate rifle and shoots a really good group with this rifle but is a few millimeters outside the circle is a whole different ball game to a shotgun pattern with one or more outside the circle. Also I have been present when DSC1 shooting tests have been undertaken in horizontal rain and fierce gusty wind ... I am sure assessors do indeed use their discretion where they can ... but the danger is a candidate who might post on here or FB if they notice a candidate being passed who had technically 'missed'. In a stalking situation you could pass up a shot in those situations ... not so if you are sitting a test.
I’m by no means rich, in fact very far from it, but at £100/year it works out to £1.91/ week, or £8.33 /month. I can’t see how it’s living beyond any means.
It’s unfortunate for you that you’ve been in hospital for 2 years and Inturn cost you £20k.
Obviously I’m the same as everyone else where for that cost I would want the service to improve dramatically, there then shouldn’t be 12+ month waits for grants, 6month+ for change of address / renewals. For the latter should all be done within 7-10 days maximum, Including postage time.
I’m sorry but you’re clearly smoking something not conducive with firearms ownership.
That you think that £500 would get you a a FAC & shotgun cert plus 2 safe handling tests and all the admin to go with it.
That’s why as I said the police strike a deal with such places, it doesn't need tobe one to one, it could be groups of 10-20 people, would take no longer than a hour on range to demonstrate safe practices, and discipline. And a basic online or in classroom multiple choice.
And would be one safe handling combined if coterminous certificates.
Currently dsc1 is a 3/4 day course? And the cost of that is £300/pp? So I’m not sure as to how you don’t think it could be done for under £500. I’ve previously done both shotgun and firearm safe handling courses it didn’t come anywhere near too £500! Was if I remember correctly £120.
And I can assure you I never have nor will ever touch narcotics.
bottletopbill
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The rifle club i go to do a safe handling course before you go onto a range.
I have completed this now at two clubs and with a mentor on two days of training.
So why pay more cost.
Would it be better if a mentor could sign it off due to more cost it you do not belong to any clubs.
Just my thought as some are on a budget in life and we all cant afford a bunch of purdy's
I have completed this now at two clubs and with a mentor on two days of training.
So why pay more cost.
Would it be better if a mentor could sign it off due to more cost it you do not belong to any clubs.
Just my thought as some are on a budget in life and we all cant afford a bunch of purdy's
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