deceased friend and deceased RFD holding guns.

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kes said:
As a conclusion to my comments for this thread, I was advised that the 'removal' of section 7 was an interim issue, as there was a 'massive' licence fee change coming soon. I don't suppose any of our well connected and informed Orgs have heard anything about this ? All the 'young shots programmes in the world wont help is the cost of keeping a shotgun/rifle is prohibitive.
I wonder if they also opposed the GL changes that allowed Magpies to become a protected species or more correctly a protected species which cannot now be controlled under the GL, at least in Wales - maybe coming to England soon ?
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A consultation on firearms licensing fees is expected this year. The last review was a decade ago. BASC and the NGO opposed the removal of magpie from the Welsh general licence 'GL001 – Prevention of serious damage to crops and livestock'. Latest general licences advice for Wales here: Wales
 
Good to see some offensive posts removed. This information was provided by Firearms officers and when I collected my variation this morning, it was also confirmed by headquarters staff - so conjecture ? Speculation? I think not.
Hardly miscommunication either Mr O'Gorman The Police are firmly aware of this as a specific requirement possibly they dont always communicate directly with your organisation ?
As for Mr Dredd - typical comment and about as worthwhile as many of your posts.
 
kes said:
Good to see some offensive posts removed. This information was provided by Firearms officers and when I collected my variation this morning, it was also confirmed by headquarters staff - so conjecture ? Speculation? I think not.
Hardly miscommunication either Mr O'Gorman The Police are firmly aware of this as a specific requirement possibly they dont always communicate directly with your organisation ?
As for Mr Dredd - typical comment and about as worthwhile as many of your posts.
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Thank you. To be fair I was replying to another member about their query. Its not always all about you.

Furthermore you stated in you first post that "I do wonder why our representative organisations are not picking these potential problems up and acting to correct the inevitable consequences of the HO edicts, given the effects such things have on their members." and then you have stated above that "The Police are firmly aware of this as a specific requirement possibly they dont always communicate directly with your organisation". Rather confusing to know what your expectations really are.

I also note another rather unnecessary and sarcastic comment, in your second post (in which you stated was "a conclusion to my comments for this thread", clearly not your last comment though was it) that "there was a 'massive' licence fee change coming soon. I don't suppose any of our well connected and informed Orgs have heard anything about this".

Here is an article from November 2023 about the expected fees consultation with quotes from BASC and BSSC:

www.shootinguk.co.uk

Firearms and shotgun licence fees set to double - ShootingUK

ShootingUK News - Firearms and shotgun licence fees set to double
www.shootinguk.co.uk www.shootinguk.co.uk

Here is an article from last week mentioning the expected fees consultation:

www.plymouthherald.co.uk

Home Office still 'considering' public consultation on firearms licensing

Crime and Policing Minister Chris Philp launched the eight-week long consultation in June 2023 after dismissing coroner's call for gun law reform - since then there has been silence
www.plymouthherald.co.uk www.plymouthherald.co.uk

Please keep up to date with the news, or at least do a cursory google search, before making unnecessary and sarcastic comments about shooting orgs not having heard anything about something you only just heard about.

There are other unnecessary and sarcastic comments also, but I won't go there, it really is amazing how you pack them all into a few words - but it is so unhelpful to constructive discussions.

In any case, I have taken note of the following statements from your posts:
  • The Home Office has apparently issued an edict that Section 7 permits are not to be issued.
  • This HO edict links with the length of time for renewals and grants to be made and is the Home Offices sledgehammer to crack this particular nut.
  • Forces will shortly stop issuing Section 7's at all and will immediately confiscate the guns from relatives who cannot hold them in any other way.
Thank you for this information via your conversations with staff at Gwent Police.
 
kes said:
Good to see some offensive posts removed.
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The irony of this, is exceeded only by your inability to follow up on the many (and there are many) examples of you posting "for the last time" (including leaving the site and returning under a non de plume), on a plethora of subjects.

I do wonder what it is, that motivates you.
 
I’m going through a dodgy time health wise at the moment so this post is particularly relevant to me... thanks to the OP and everyone that’s had some input, it’s given me something to think about.

Willowbank
 
kes said:
This will be one of few posts I make from now but it may help someone so hence the post.
My shooting friend died some time ago last year - he left me his rifle and had 3 other guns. Before I could collect my bequest and anything else the RFD holding them died. The force responsible for the area was west Midlands who immediately conducted an inventory of all guns held by the deceased. His only son was not an RFD. After the inventory, I collected the rifle given to me following a variation processed very efficiently by Gwent - simple fact.
The son was given 2 weeks by west midlands, to get rid of all the remaining firearms (including his dad's and advised to call Holts to collect and process them all via auctions.
My friends guns would therefore be sold at (I believe) a much lower price due to commission/.collection etc. I advised he obtain a section 7 for his dad's guns and request an extension to the two weeks (as one of those weeks involved arranging and attending his father's funeral).
I contacted my local and extremely helpful RFD, R&D in Ross on Wye. The owner, Rob, very helpfully checked the guns and advised the other RFD's son what he could do, but he could not justify commercially collecting and selling the guns.
I attempted to arrange a S7 so I could transport my friends guns (not on my ticket obviously) to the Ross shop and sell them there. All this time Rob was helping, at nil cost, to sort matters out.
I rang Gwent Firearms who were very sympathetic and the Supervisor was very helpful to me and allowed me to take the guns on my ticket, to later use or dispose of them, as I was member of a gun club and had 'good reason'.
Gwent processed the Variation in 24 hrs and I can now collect my friends guns legally. I will lodge them with Rob who will help me with their disposal. Gwent were excellent.

The problem in all this for collective information is that The Home Office has apparently issued an edict that Section 7 permits are not to be issued.
Neither Gwent nor West Midlands could issue one to help, willing though they were. This HO edict links with the length of time for renewals and grants to be made and is the Home Offices sledgehammer to crack this particular nut . Needless to say it impacts those who honestly and simply seek time to sell on their loved ones possessions. I have heard that forces will shortly stop issuing Section 7's at all and will immediately confiscate the guns from relatives who cannot hold them in any other way.

I have nothing but thanks for Gwent who were able to advise me and process what I needed in a very short time.
West Midlands also adopted a reasonable position on the time to hold the deceased weapons in this case (it will not happen in future).
So Section7 has transitioned from a helpful, if little used, part of the legislation to a means to correct delays in Firearms Licensing.
I have left out names in this but I would like to personally thank those 3 individual officers who helped.
I have often criticised the Police and still hold concerns over their scrutiny of Firearms holders and users. However in this case they acted within the law but to help.
I do wonder why our representative organisations are not picking these potential problems up and acting to correct the inevitable consequences of the HO edicts, given the effects such things have on their members.
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TBH I have always found Gwent Police very helpful in relation to Firearms Licensing.

One historic issue with a new FEO not knowing the rules on open tickets, but that was rectified very quickly.
 
moeggesit said:
Another option, planning for future, is to have your firearms entries duplicated on your spouse, shooting friend or children’s FAC’s.
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My wife and kids don't have FAC's, I've actually told them to apply for a sect7 so them can possess and sell them. It also seems quite a common question with FEO's about what will happen with firearms if/when you die, it seems inefficiency by licensing has once again hampered law abiding shooters
 
willowbank said:
I’m going through a dodgy time health wise at the moment so this post is particularly relevant to me... thanks to the OP and everyone that’s had some input, it’s given me something to think about.

Willowbank
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Hi Willowbank.
I am sorry to read this. I hope things improve for you very soon.
 
willowbank said:
I’m going through a dodgy time health wise at the moment so this post is particularly relevant to me... thanks to the OP and everyone that’s had some input, it’s given me something to think about.

Willowbank
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If you would like to just sound board any issues that you may think are troubling you, please do not hesitate to contact me. KimH
 
kes said:
This will be one of few posts I make from now but it may help someone so hence the post.
My shooting friend died some time ago last year - he left me his rifle and had 3 other guns. Before I could collect my bequest and anything else the RFD holding them died. The force responsible for the area was west Midlands who immediately conducted an inventory of all guns held by the deceased. His only son was not an RFD. After the inventory, I collected the rifle given to me following a variation processed very efficiently by Gwent - simple fact.
The son was given 2 weeks by west midlands, to get rid of all the remaining firearms (including his dad's and advised to call Holts to collect and process them all via auctions.
My friends guns would therefore be sold at (I believe) a much lower price due to commission/.collection etc. I advised he obtain a section 7 for his dad's guns and request an extension to the two weeks (as one of those weeks involved arranging and attending his father's funeral).
I contacted my local and extremely helpful RFD, R&D in Ross on Wye. The owner, Rob, very helpfully checked the guns and advised the other RFD's son what he could do, but he could not justify commercially collecting and selling the guns.
I attempted to arrange a S7 so I could transport my friends guns (not on my ticket obviously) to the Ross shop and sell them there. All this time Rob was helping, at nil cost, to sort matters out.
I rang Gwent Firearms who were very sympathetic and the Supervisor was very helpful to me and allowed me to take the guns on my ticket, to later use or dispose of them, as I was member of a gun club and had 'good reason'.
Gwent processed the Variation in 24 hrs and I can now collect my friends guns legally. I will lodge them with Rob who will help me with their disposal. Gwent were excellent.

The problem in all this for collective information is that The Home Office has apparently issued an edict that Section 7 permits are not to be issued.
Neither Gwent nor West Midlands could issue one to help, willing though they were. This HO edict links with the length of time for renewals and grants to be made and is the Home Offices sledgehammer to crack this particular nut . Needless to say it impacts those who honestly and simply seek time to sell on their loved ones possessions. I have heard that forces will shortly stop issuing Section 7's at all and will immediately confiscate the guns from relatives who cannot hold them in any other way.

I have nothing but thanks for Gwent who were able to advise me and process what I needed in a very short time.
West Midlands also adopted a reasonable position on the time to hold the deceased weapons in this case (it will not happen in future).
So Section7 has transitioned from a helpful, if little used, part of the legislation to a means to correct delays in Firearms Licensing.
I have left out names in this but I would like to personally thank those 3 individual officers who helped.
I have often criticised the Police and still hold concerns over their scrutiny of Firearms holders and users. However in this case they acted within the law but to help.
I do wonder why our representative organisations are not picking these potential problems up and acting to correct the inevitable consequences of the HO edicts, given the effects such things have on their members.
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Not often you read good reports about FAC departments of the police in England. Goes to show at least some of them are willing to help instead of turning up with stillsaws and taking guns of people.
 
stuaff said:
Not often you read good reports about FAC departments of the police in England. Goes to show at least some of them are willing to help instead of turning up with stillsaws and taking guns of people.
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The original date of the thread was 2 years ago. While I have no direct knowledge of how things are going over in gwent right now, Suffolk police FLD have gone down the sh@tter over the last 2 years, a shadow of their former selves unfortunately.
 
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