You can, but you are talking low velocity coupled with crap BC or high BC needing a faster than standard 1:8 twist.
To 6.5 or not to 6.5 that is the question!
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I shot 243 win for over 20 years , then i rebuilt it as a 260 ( 6.5) The reasoning was would 243 handle the transition to copper? It was at the time before our first Covid lockdown . I really like it with 100 grain tTSX copper , it also does ok with the 120 version but not as fast and 20% more recoil ! The 6.5 Creed has its main gain when target shooting with the long sleek heavy for caliber high BC bullets. Std twist is 1-8 , I actually build my 260 1-7.5 twist so just a tad faster twist ( just because nobody really new about copper well enough then in the uk ) .
To get to the point then , 6.5x55 , 6mm Creed , 260 rem all handle deer bullets about equally velocity wise so there is no real tangible gains ( other than copper needing a faster twist 1-8 say ).
Just doing a renewal and i am adding a 6mm creed as i do miss the 243 though it will not handle the length of the new 6mm due to the shorter throat when using 110 copper nor witll it fit in the mags of most rifles . Why do i want another rifle in this calibre ? 1. Because it offers better long range performance ( its beating its 6.5 twin) , less recoil ( so faster to steer and you can see all your strikes ) plus i am going digital for night culling deer / foxing .
6mm Creeds are hard to get in the UK presently btw , but this will change before the end of the year ( though i suspect a few 6.5 creeds might come up on the SH racks ) Just because we all know 6.5 creed shooter do like the latest fashions LOL
Actually the PRC performance difference is being disputed by many chronographs . Backfire on u-tube has just recently posted some test results . TBF we must not trust ammo makers claims , personally i have recorded many to be well under their velocity claims in the past
I have both 243 Win and 6.5 CM. I love the 6.5 for Deer but couldn't get rid of my 243 as its just so good. Ive used both for Deer but feel better using the 6.5 on Deer and the 243 i only really use for Foxes now. If you don't need to sell the 243 why not keep it ? After all one can never have too many rifles.
Envillegc1
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Another option, the Swede is one hell of a round.
Yup. Astonishing as it may seem, I have actually chrono’d mine. And shot things with it.
Factory PRC ammo is exactly what Hornady claims it to be in my rifle. And it makes a dramatically bigger hole in deer than my Creedmoor does.
It may also surprise you to discover that I have also chrono’d, my Creedmoor and, astonishingly, it is precisely what you’d expect it to be if you took the Hornady claims for a 24” barrel and corrected for a 20” barrel).
Now, where it all starts to get murky is if you load your own. I have loaded Creedmoor loads up to low end PRC speeds. But then, I’ve also loaded PRC loads well beyond factory loads.
No, they are not the same round. I've read it three times and can't understand why you'd think they are.
Having had a creedmoor and now a PRC, they're a completely different animal. I place my PRC up with my rem mag. The PRC with the same bullet will happily give an extra 300+ FPS and actually gives the opportunity to shoot the 150s/156's at a good speed whereas the creed doesn't have the case capacity to do so.
Example of the difference -
Creedmoor using a 130g bullet, I got a safe load at 2830 or so.
PRC using the same bullet, I called quits on load development at just shy of 3200. I called quits because that was ample velocity and accuracy, I didn't need any more and probably couldn't get any better on the accuracy front.
Ultimately, you choose a cartridge based on what you're after.
If you want a short barreled rifle but still good velocity? PRC. If you're happy with the creedmoor trundling along at 2800 go for it. If you're shooting at distance and want that extra energy/velocity then you get the PRC with a longer tube to actually work as it's designed too.
Not knocking the creedmoor whatsoever, it's a brilliant cartridge that holds its own against many in many types of shooting. Whether stalking or target, it works. The PRC is most definitely a different kettle of fish but as above, still works however with added recoil!
Recently watched the video, yes correct in 7mm PRC. 6.5prc is exactly as stated however mine were slightly hotter by around 40fps than the box suggested
I find Backfire's videos to be mostly the guntuber equivalent of click bait. Typically, he chases a headline with slick commentaries that mask poor testing procedures producing flimsy evidence.
IMHO , The 243 win often gets gets put in the " just about enough on larger deer species " box. I would personally dispute that attitude especially with copper .! Copper certainly does better at higher impact speeds . I have killed a large number of deer with the 243 and i have to say it was a very, very good All UK deer rifle
I re-built my 243 win as a 260 rem (6.5mm) and run guess what ? A 100 grain copper Barnes tTSX ! I am just in the renewing the ticket and while i am keeping the 260 as is , i am re-adding the 243 /6mm . Why? Well take a look at what guys are doing in PRS etc with the 6mm Creedmore with long, slim bullets above the 100 grain with the superior BC
It will be my first dedicated NV rifle .
110 grain lead in 6mm will hit harder with better windages than my 6.5 . 243 win cant really handle these longer bullets though, it hasn't the throat length and you would still need a faster twist than the std.
If someone speaks rubbish or bias on this type of platform , they simply do not get the following. As a lot of this medium has been de-funded or cut back expect to see more selling stuff . Had a look at Ron Spooner of late ?
Sorry, but I genuinely don't understand what you are trying to say here. Trump speaks rubbish and has a huge following. Backfire gives people talking points, has a great media persona, and presents a lifestyle that is a dream for most shooters, but content-wise, clicks come before reality - which is how YT mostly works.
Yes, I watched that too… interesting about the 6.5 CM and the 6.5 PRC being the same cartridge… achieving same velocities through different barrel lengths… This rings true to me of Hornady marketing creating new chamberings to promote new interest and sales..
nun_hunter
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They'd probably notice the availability of new rifles in Creedmoor is better than the Swede and a going forward ammunition availability too. As far as pulling the trigger then probably no difference at all.
Just dont add bits that are not typed eh ? who is the least sain American leader is a whole different matter . I dont envy his life one bit TBF , imagine this forum times a few 1000 bigger
6.5 CM and 6.5 PRC are not the same cartridge. They are both the same calibre, 6.5mm, but not the same cartridge, they are totally different chamberings.
Just shows what rubbish is touted on these sites, unfortunately many believe it.
Utectok
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The 6.5x55 is a home loader cartridge. Factory ammunition is mostly quite anaemic. If you home load you can push it faster than the creed as it has more case capacity. Mine is a few fps off a prc
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