Wiring a phone socket for broadband?

[countrryboy]

Alright folks.

Wondering if any bt engineers or sparks on here.

I cant figure out wot im doing wrong.

Basically my master socket is in an out building about 50m from my house.
Ive ran a cat 6 cable between the 2 but cant seem to gey either phone or broadband down at my house.
In theory only a temp cable, but may well use it for a year or 2+

I dont want to get Bt out to move my master to house as i'd end up with another cable throu some trees.
I meaning to climb those trees and either severly reduce crowns and section down a coupke that are overhanging a powerline.
Pretty sketchy and got enough hazzards already, i dinae normally climb trees nowadays too auld ( and fat) for that carry on.
It a young skinny persons job

The master is a 5c and i ended up getting a mk 4 face for it.
I have tried wiring it to both the 2 and 5 terminals on wall plate and the A B terminals on rrar on mk4 face plate.
Niether seems to work., which i cant understand why

In my house ive had to use a filter thingy to get both the plug types.

Will the filter be affecting it?
Or is it the distance?
I have just used internal cat 6 cable which may not be ideal outside but just wot i had left over.

I mind i wired the phone sockets in my old house no problems, but that was a while ago.

Cheers

 

[devon deer stalker]

Silly question, but have you tried wiring in a short piece of cable away from the master to see if it works?

 

[C h r i s]

Do you get a dial tone at the master socket? If so I'd then do a continuity test on your cat6 cable run (isolated). If all good just move the master socket to the end of the cable run and jumper between the BT cable and your cat6 extension, fit a blanking plate to cover your handy work.

 

[Andrewslater]

I seem to recall you needing a device that willboost the signal if your hoping to send it 50m. My only knowledge of this was from someone installing security cameras so i’m no expert, but i guess the same theory applies to internet? I think they call them a repeater.

 

[zambezi]

cant seem to gey either phone or broadband down at my house

The master socket contains the band pass filter so no additional splitter required at the house as long as you correctly present voice and modem pairs as per this image I found online:

 

[zambezi]

Two other things to consider, and I apologise if these are obvious:

• per image above, always use the twisted pair for any circuit. I.e. do not use randomly picked wires in a cat6 cable [explanatory image re induced noise below]
• given your cable run, and the low voltages involved [i.e. potentially susceptible to interference], it is probably wise to earth the cat6 shielding foil

 

[devon deer stalker]

Do you get a dial tone at the master socket? If so I'd then do a continuity test on your cat6 cable run (isolated). If all good just move the master socket to the end of the cable run and jumper between the BT cable and your cat6 extension, fit a blanking plate to cover your handy work.

That's fine until there is a fault, the engineer will find your handy work, shift the main socket back to its original socket, give you a bill, and won't fix the fault if it's down to you, it was many years ago, but I was a BT engineer.

 

[C h r i s]

That's fine until there is a fault, the engineer will find your handy work, shift the main socket back to its original socket, give you a bill, and won't fix the fault if it's down to you, it was many years ago, but I was a BT engineer.

Hopefully by the time any further faults occur the OP's PSTN service will have been put through the digital switchover - but yes you are quite right, always revert any changes back to standard if any further faults occur.

 

[Rake Aboot]

Can’t you get fibre ? Far better

 

[paul o']

From Incoming From soup dish 77/A .
There is an easy test if you dont have a 9083 or test meter or butt phone etc ! strip a small amount incoming pair spit on your finger place wires see if it fizzzes if not its not working to that point if yes you have power .
A. B
B. BW
NT5 master
-------
Nt5a Face plate or and Ext B, BW, O (Ringer)
if you need it to ring .
If you have a cat point then you are not on a Analogue switch your in the 21centy lol! then in that case your phones should be plugged into your modem or vie a adsl other mod tap RJ45 or even RJ11 But all this is Bolx without getting the sticky fingers on your set up and test it to death pmsl.

 

[udderlyoffroad]

per image above, always use the twisted pair for any circuit. I.e. do not use randomly picked wires in a cat6 cable [explanatory image re induced noise below]

This

Basically my master socket is in an out building about 50m from my house.

If you have power in the outbuilding, connect the router directly to the master socket and use the Ethernet cable as intended, i.e. running an ethernet connection from the router to the house. Buy a cheap switch for the house and connect your devices.

Can’t you get fibre ? Far better

It is, but that definitely will require power in the outbuilding!

 

[countrryboy]

Cheers folks im just back in from work.

Ive been at it for a while on and off and get sick of walking up and down the steep banking to the out building.and back.
Esp when it never works, i thought i had it wired ok, but as is blantrntly obvious i dont really know wot im doing as usual.


Aye getting a dailing tone in building at master.

I did test the conductivity in the cables.
Roghtly or wrongly i just twisted 1 end together and measured the other end with my volt meter.
3 of the 4 pairs all read the same, but the blue combo didnt, so either i never stripped/bared enough or joined it tight enough/badly.
Or i have a break in it?
Not entirely sure where the reel came from.

Cheers zambezi? I did change to another twisted coloured pair, never thought about keeping them together alrhou i have


Could the second micro filter be causing me the problem?
I knew i didnt need it for a filter, but needed it to split to the 2 different plugs.
Can u open it up and pull filter out without breaking tge circuit?
Or do u get splitters with no filter?


I did once over strip an old phone cable down and joined it on to cable.
That never worked either but again was throu my socket in house and the 2nd filter.
I might go up and bodge 2 adsl ends on to the cable and ignore the wall plate in my house for moment.


A while back I did buy a fancy socket that u can put a bt and adsl socket thingys into.
But if i mind right the terminals on the adsl socket where strange, i remember that putting me off, think ive stored it somewhere 'safe' so can see it being a mission to find it.

I dont think im terribly far away and most lukely will be something stupid/simple.

 

[countrryboy]

The master socket contains the band pass filter so no additional splitter required at the house as long as you correctly present voice and modem pairs as per this image I found online:

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Just zoomed in in this daigram.
I think i might of figured it out.

Ive mistakenly only wired into either the 2/5 or A B
NOT both at the sme time and all going to rhe 1 single bt socket and then theou the splitter/micro filter.

Ive been trying to wire the extension the way i was shown 15 or 20 yr ago when i done my last house. Pre Broadband/wifi days.

 

[PMA]

Are you trying to just extend the master socket to the new position or are you trying to put an extension (additional) point in ?

 

[countrryboy]

Are you trying to just extend the master socket to the new position or are you trying to put an extension (additional) point in ?

An additional point in.

 

[countrryboy]

Final ( hopefully) quick question.

Now i think i see where i've been going wrong.

Going to try and bodge up my adsl line.

At moment my a/b, which i believe is internet is wired to my 2/5 terminals on stanard phone socket.

I have found 2 extension cables so i think have 2 possible different temp bodges.


1 extension cable is standard bt plug > adsl plug.
So bodge 1 can i move my present wiring away from 2/5 to correspond?

Or bodge 2, ive cut an adsl cable in half was just going to splice it directly onto my cat 6 cable.
But 4 wires, yellow, red, blue and black.
Which 2 do i use?
Its a bit bit ruff and ready.

But had no tv now for quite a few months and wven before that only had 5 or 6 channeks the last year.
So after a few wet nights decided wnoughs enough

 

[PMA]

Then you will need to connect 2,3 and 5 so in the existing bt point A and B (or 2and 3 on a newer type )
And 5

 

[PMA]

If you want to extend the telephone line to a different position then just join the 2 wires and connect to 2 and 5 or A & B make sure colours are the same at each end . If you want to run an extension phone point from there you will need to connect to 2 and 5 and 3
If you want me to talk you through it pm me
Pete