NABIS do not agree with removing sound moderators from FAC.
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Yep you surely can find an adapter and fit it you ro handgun.wouldnt want to be holding it when it was fired mind
National Ballistics Intelligence Service - As suggested what they say will be listened too.
nun_hunter
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To be fair I've had an early PES mod I think, it was rated 30cal but the exit hole measured nearly 12mm!
It definitely would take a 45 but it was ½unf threaded and weighed more than the rifle it was intended for
As Boris the Blade said 'Heavy is good, heavy is reliable and if it doesn't work you can always beat him to death with it' which is all it would be good for if somehow it was attached to a handgun.
Very poor submission to the consultation - and will be weighted accordingly.
The fact they can't produce detailed data related to seizures in itself worrying.
Of the 26 moderators seized on average per annum, no indication as to their manufacture (home made); source (theft, illegally imported, or legally owned but illegally used) or indeed, if they are actually firearm moderators.....could even be air rifle moderators......note no distinction has been made - just termed moderators.
Quite easy to refute this supposed evidence based submission......
Whoever signed this off in NABIS as suitable needs a kick up their a**e.
Just a poor bit of public facing information from an organisation that should have higher standards.
The fact they can't produce detailed data related to seizures in itself worrying.
Of the 26 moderators seized on average per annum, no indication as to their manufacture (home made); source (theft, illegally imported, or legally owned but illegally used) or indeed, if they are actually firearm moderators.....could even be air rifle moderators......note no distinction has been made - just termed moderators.
Quite easy to refute this supposed evidence based submission......
Whoever signed this off in NABIS as suitable needs a kick up their a**e.
Just a poor bit of public facing information from an organisation that should have higher standards.
Thats what you get when ask Chat GPT to write something for you!
8x57
Distinguished Member
Yes it will definitely be interesting to see how BASC respond to this letter.
Makes you wonder if this letter is the standard of work that Martin Parker is familiar and happy with, in which case BASC may have employed a lemon, hopefully not.
Alternatively you could think positively look at the letter and say that NABIS has gone downhill since Martin left.
timbrayford
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How dare you, wash your mouth out with soap, it couldn't possibly happen could it? Oh dear, John Swift!
Heym SR20
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I can understand why law enforcement authorities may be concerned at the deregulation of moderators.
Any gun is very noisy without a moderator/ silencer and anybody up to no good will know that as soon as the gun is fired everybody in the area will be alerted. Fire it a few times and every police officer will be fast approaching.
By contrast adding a moderator/ silencer you can use the gun and then just walk away undetected. It was for this very reason why silencers were developed for use by the SOE and others doing clandestine work in occupied Europe and why the other side treated them as spies and assassins and executed them accordingly.
A moderator in the hands of a criminal turns a noisy weapon into a silenced one, and it was for this reason that they are licensed and controlled.
At present the authorisation to acquire a moderator is pretty much granted alongside that of a rifle and it is really no additional paperwork.
Many will argue that a mod is just a piece of tube with some threading. It is. But then so is a barrel, and a rifle itself is just a piece of tube with a large interrupted thread (ie the bolt) and a few springs and a bit of wood.
Any gun is very noisy without a moderator/ silencer and anybody up to no good will know that as soon as the gun is fired everybody in the area will be alerted. Fire it a few times and every police officer will be fast approaching.
By contrast adding a moderator/ silencer you can use the gun and then just walk away undetected. It was for this very reason why silencers were developed for use by the SOE and others doing clandestine work in occupied Europe and why the other side treated them as spies and assassins and executed them accordingly.
A moderator in the hands of a criminal turns a noisy weapon into a silenced one, and it was for this reason that they are licensed and controlled.
At present the authorisation to acquire a moderator is pretty much granted alongside that of a rifle and it is really no additional paperwork.
Many will argue that a mod is just a piece of tube with some threading. It is. But then so is a barrel, and a rifle itself is just a piece of tube with a large interrupted thread (ie the bolt) and a few springs and a bit of wood.
Or imported illegally.
I don't see how you could fit a rifle mod to a pistol and still make the pistol usable.
It mentions that several handguns had been recovered with screw threads, but doesn't say if these were recovered WITH a moderator. As illegal handguns frequently do the rounds (as I understand it, they are rarely bought and sold, merely hired out) any threading could have come from a previous existence, in another country and before they entered the black market.
Just checked and Wildcat Evo .30cal has baffle holes approximately 8.5mm wide. So you would have to drill out the baffles, make an adapter to somehow fit it to the end of the barrel, and still end up with something longer and heavier than the handgun! Why would you bother?To be fair I've had an early PES mod I think, it was rated 30cal but the exit hole measured nearly 12mm!
It definitely would take a 45 but it was ½unf threaded and weighed more than the rifle it was intended for
As Boris the Blade said 'Heavy is good, heavy is reliable and if it doesn't work you can always beat him to death with it' which is all it would be good for if somehow it was attached to a handgun.
If they are air rifle mods, by the time you have drilled it out to take a 9mm, you wouldn't have any moderator left!
long_range_rob
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There’s quite a trade in manufacturing and reactivating firearms in backyard workshops, how difficult is it to produce a tube with a thread at one end and a calibre+ hole at the other in comparison
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Absolutely! But if that is easily done, why bother trying to acquire a pukka moderator? Make/manufacture one at a fraction of the cost and no-one will ever be the wiser, and requiring mods to remain on-ticket will have no effect at all.
long_range_rob
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Because we’re law abiding and doing as you suggest would be illegal
Rake Aboot
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Is that satire ?
Stalker62
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