Chasing dogs for deer.

[Heym SR20]

I days gone buy there was a lot of hunting with hounds for deer, notably the staghounds on places like Exmoor and Thetford forrest. Followers of the hunt on horseback or on foot. The deer once cornered would be dispatched by the huntsman with a knife or a gun.

 

[Bowland blades]

I days gone buy there was a lot of hunting with hounds for deer, notably the staghounds on places like Exmoor and Thetford forrest. Followers of the hunt on horseback or on foot. The deer once cornered would be dispatched by the huntsman with a knife or a gun.

I think the upside of hunting with a pack of hounds was in General the old or injured where the greatest majority of what was taken off . Summer Cub hunting was a different matter and my old pack only hunted cubs when it was absolutely required at a place.
I never witnessed stag hunting

 

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I’m getting confused on this. . where is the line between hunting for an animal and or flushing to shoot hor on tracking a shot or wounded animal such as rabbit or a fox using 1 or more tracking hounds or hunting dogs
Can someone advise the situation for the uk please

 

[Bowland blades]

I’m getting confused on this. . where is the line between hunting for an animal and or flushing to shoot hor on tracking a shot or wounded animal such as rabbit or a fox using 1 or more tracking hounds or hunting dogs
Can someone advise the situation for the uk please

The intention to take the animal by the hound or dog . ?Cant say that is the 100% legal situation that but it was the " Hunting with dogs act "
Intention is usually used in Court whatever way things go . did the owner / handler intend for their dog to hunt / kill the said bird or animal .
We have made a lot of crazy laws from the Time Blair kicked all this over legislation
off

 

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The intention to take the animal by the hound or dog . ?Cant say that is the 100% legal situation that but it was the " Hunting with dogs act "
Intention is usually used in Court whatever way things go . did the owner / handler intend for their dog to hunt / kill the said bird or animal .
We have made a lot of crazy laws from the Time Blair kicked all this over legislation
off

Cheers BB

 

[Bowland blades]

Remember night culling and as far as i am aware you have to have a dog with you for follow ups and finding the downed animal . The dog does not sit an exam , nor does it get questioned on the phone LOL
If it wasn't law to have one at night ... I would still take one or not go out ! Dogs are way above us in the dark though poorer than us by day in all but tracking and marking movement. My dogs have gone off to pick birds i thought i missed shooting Duck and Goose after sunset .

 

[Robinson]

Hunting with dogs that kill the game has never had a tradition here at our parts of the landscape. And the thought of having dogs that corners a deer sounds unrealistic, at least here in Norway. How can a dog, or pack of dogs, get around to do that? A healthy roe deer or red deer will easily outrun any type of dog we have here in the woods and mountains. Maybe on open plains a dog, or pack of dog, can have a chance . But in our woods and mountains? No way. I know that sometimes a dog can get lucky, a roe might break a leg or something, and the dog might overtake it. But I have never even heard of such an incident around here.

 

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In the event of a quarry species taking a supposed wounded after a waiting 30 mins time the dog or hound is introduced to track the wounded animal on which the non stress time has allowed the deer or animal to pass and the hound or dog steadily tracks it up to find it when it’s found expired or needs another HD shot

It all seems to be getting confused, too many fingers in the pie do too speak

 

[SikaSeeker]

I do wonder how many have seen one or two running dogs take a deer the size of a Roe ? its not pretty nor humane and it generally ends up in a stabbing fest by the " person who owns the dog / dogs as the dogs grab what they can (often the rear end ) . A far cry from the swift end of a pack of foxhounds did the deed, that takes less time than a rifle shot in most instances and i never witnessed a slow inhumane end .
Pretty sure its still legal in England to use a dog on Rabbits in England ? Certainly is Rats ! My own childhood was well packed with ferrets , dogs and nets .

I’ve seen it regularly and I roe will lie down and die easy, very quick death by a lurcher. The only thing you need the knife for is the gralloch

 

[Bowland blades]

I’ve seen it regularly and I roe will lie down and die easy, very quick death by a lurcher. The only thing you need the knife for is the gralloch

No place near that in my direct experience . Good thing its illegal and better still however is the orders once convicted, are being placed on the owners like no keeping of dogs or being in a vehicle with dogs in .

 

[SikaSeeker]

No place near that in my direct experience . Good thing its illegal and better still however is the orders once convicted, are being placed on the owners like no keeping of dogs or being in a vehicle with dogs in .

You were obviously around poor quality lurchers. Roe are very easy to a well bred dog. You are entitled to your opinion

 

[Heym SR20]

Hunting with dogs that kill the game has never had a tradition here at our parts of the landscape. And the thought of having dogs that corners a deer sounds unrealistic, at least here in Norway. How can a dog, or pack of dogs, get around to do that? A healthy roe deer or red deer will easily outrun any type of dog we have here in the woods and mountains. Maybe on open plains a dog, or pack of dog, can have a chance . But in our woods and mountains? No way. I know that sometimes a dog can get lucky, a roe might break a leg or something, and the dog might overtake it. But I have never even heard of such an incident around here.

Dogs, wild dogs, wolves, hyenas etc catch their prey by a test if stamina. They first pick out the weakest and then just keep up the pressure. Wild Dogs and Spotted Hyenas in Africa occur everywhere from dense bushveld, which is every bit as dense as temperate or northern woodland to open savannah.

Wolves in packs catch plenty of prey in Northern Climes.

In the UK Stag hounds used to hunt red deer in places such as the New Forest and Exmoor.

 

[Keith Edmunds]

I do wonder how many have seen one or two running dogs take a deer the size of a Roe ? its not pretty nor humane and it generally ends up in a stabbing fest by the " person who owns the dog / dogs as the dogs grab what they can (often the rear end ) . A far cry from the swift end of a pack of foxhounds did the deed, that takes less time than a rifle shot in most instances and i never witnessed a slow inhumane end .
Pretty sure its still legal in England to use a dog on Rabbits in England ? Certainly is Rats ! My own childhood was well packed with ferrets , dogs and nets .

You were obviously around poor quality lurchers. Roe are very easy to a well bred dog. You are entitled to your opinion

Both BB and SS make true points. I have seen both but it is no different with hares - back in the day when it was legal. Some lurchers kill quickly, others never get the hang of it. I have seen well-bred deerhound/greyhounds struggle with muntjac. Whether it's nature or nurture I don't know but some are good holders/dispatchers and some are pretty crap.

 

[Keith Edmunds]

Hunting with dogs that kill the game has never had a tradition here at our parts of the landscape. And the thought of having dogs that corners a deer sounds unrealistic, at least here in Norway. How can a dog, or pack of dogs, get around to do that? A healthy roe deer or red deer will easily outrun any type of dog we have here in the woods and mountains. Maybe on open plains a dog, or pack of dog, can have a chance . But in our woods and mountains? No way. I know that sometimes a dog can get lucky, a roe might break a leg or something, and the dog might overtake it. But I have never even heard of such an incident around here.

It is a war of attrition and purely down to stamina - the scent-hounds literally run the deer to an exhausted standstill. Granted, staghounds don't kill but hold at bay.

 

[Marrajack1]

One of my ambitions is to attend a moose hunt using a elk hound No interest in shooting one at all, but would find that fascinating and would like to see Scandinavian hunting first hand

We did use stag hounds in the uk a couple of hounds used to locate the desired stag then hounds layed on, I have visited kennels but never hunted with them.

People do use Teckels - beagles etc for gun packs where fox is the quarry - probably not after Thursday!!!

 

[Keith Edmunds]

One of my ambitions is to attend a moose hunt using a elk hound No interest in shooting one at all, but would find that fascinating and would like to see Scandinavian hunting first hand

We did use stag hounds in the uk a couple of hounds used to locate the desired stag then hounds layed on, I have visited kennels but never hunted with them.

People do use Teckels - beagles etc for gun packs where fox is the quarry - probably not after Thursday!!!

We still do use Staghounds in the UK - under exemption.

 

[Dunwaters]

Hunting with dogs that kill the game has never had a tradition here at our parts of the landscape. And the thought of having dogs that corners a deer sounds unrealistic, at least here in Norway. How can a dog, or pack of dogs, get around to do that? A healthy roe deer or red deer will easily outrun any type of dog we have here in the woods and mountains. Maybe on open plains a dog, or pack of dog, can have a chance . But in our woods and mountains? No way. I know that sometimes a dog can get lucky, a roe might break a leg or something, and the dog might overtake it. But I have never even heard of such an incident around here.

You’re dogs are selected, trained handled to not course and catch game.
You run roe with tecks and small slow hounds to move them at a walking pace, moose dogs do the same.
A pack of dogs specifically bred for and trained to a quarry is pretty successful.

 

[John Gryphon]

I was wondering if you British use dogs when hunting deer, other than for tracking ?

We certainly do in Victoria Australia.

I have some fantastic books on hunting deer using lurchers.

That appeals, have you got some titles that I can try and find online.

In the UK we like to stick to our traditional ways.

Scottish Deerhound, not much more traditional than that, alas no longer allowed.

 

[yellow belly]

No place near that in my direct experience . Good thing its illegal and better still however is the orders once convicted, are being placed on the owners like no keeping of dogs or being in a vehicle with dogs in .

Clearly never seen a GWP deal with a runner. It's an absolute disgrace that the SNP and Greens outlawed a dog to follow up injured beasts since November here in Scotland.

 

[Bowland blades]

Clearly never seen a GWP deal with a runner. It's an absolute disgrace that the SNP and Greens outlawed a dog to follow up injured beasts since November here in Scotland.

Good tracking dogs should not go for a kill, it risks injury . However if ANY stalking dog does charge in , there should be no intent in that act or it goes into that " Grey area " the one when a judge gets involves and sets a legal precedent.
Deer can fight back with an antler and kicking out with what can be very damaging to the dog.
My first deer dog was a GWP It died best part of twenty years ago but i have since just kept Labs .
I did not know we cannot use tracking dogs in Scotland now , Its part of the night licence conditions - How the heck could that happen ?