forrestfarrier
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What ratio is best to dilute blood with water a is salt a must to add? Thinking would a more dilute mixture give the effect of a more aged trail??
Blood??????
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cookingfat
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no salt needed, just sive out the clots and freeze, take out as you need and refreeze, i use 25% water, some use 50% dont think it matters to much.
Tony
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Never, never use salt.
Do not dilute but filter.
You are trying to get as close to reality as possible.
forrestfarrier
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Sound ta and is the blood bushwear sells worth using?
Wolverine
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Is the blood bushwear sells real deer blood
As close to reality as possible
Do not know what they sell but it is probably better than nothing.
But living where you are you can surely get the real stuff by asking around.
forrestfarrier
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Hopefully the dog will take to it that easily??! But also feel a few laid trails helps u to read and learn yours dogs reactions etc while hunting also can be stopped if it starts hunting game and can be kept on the straight and norrow!!! Think if u get the basics right the rest should follow?!
I start all my dogs on trails and move on to the real thing when they show thay are following the real trail not whatever they fancy, some take a long time to steady on a trail. The blood to begin with doesn't have to be deer blood but cow or even lamb will do, that may be easier to get. As for salt I don't use it, I split the clotts and take out the biggest and than put it into very clean washing up bottles, even quite large clotts will force through the squeeze nozle.
Jagare
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I use frozen cow blood that is available from most supermarkets here. I water it 50/50 because I'm tight and it lasts longer. The type of blood you use is not important. When you train a dog to retrieve you use a dummy. How much like a pheasant is a dummy in form or smell.
The important thing with training to track is to get the dog to follow a cold trail in a calm manner. The dog should not see a deer till you have got the tracking training in place. All these people who think that dragging a pup round while stalking a will give them a good tracking dog are just talking böllocks
The important thing with training to track is to get the dog to follow a cold trail in a calm manner. The dog should not see a deer till you have got the tracking training in place. All these people who think that dragging a pup round while stalking a will give them a good tracking dog are just talking böllocks
jamross65
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I don't really get this????
We are going to train a dog to follow deer. We shoot deer regularly so therefor a readily available blood source is at hand to use for training. From the very animals we want the dog to follow. So why would anyone consider using blood from another animal?
Whether it makes a difference or not, and I can see opinion on this is split, even to our weekened sense of smell deer scent on my hands smells different anything else I shoot. I would assume then that a dog with it's accute sense of smell can tell the difference as well.
I have only ever trained one dog specifically for deer but trained many labs and spaniels for other game shooting. The dummy is simply to install steadiness in a retrieve before moving on to actual cold game, then warm game and eventually the dog being shot over. With a dog for deer we are starting immediately on what we want it to follow so why use anything other than deer blood?
We are going to train a dog to follow deer. We shoot deer regularly so therefor a readily available blood source is at hand to use for training. From the very animals we want the dog to follow. So why would anyone consider using blood from another animal?
Whether it makes a difference or not, and I can see opinion on this is split, even to our weekened sense of smell deer scent on my hands smells different anything else I shoot. I would assume then that a dog with it's accute sense of smell can tell the difference as well.
I have only ever trained one dog specifically for deer but trained many labs and spaniels for other game shooting. The dummy is simply to install steadiness in a retrieve before moving on to actual cold game, then warm game and eventually the dog being shot over. With a dog for deer we are starting immediately on what we want it to follow so why use anything other than deer blood?
Wolverine
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Yip me too,not getting it!
Dogs have wonderful noses as we all know
I know of and have seen dogs that have been brought up with 100's,yes 100's of searches for roe and red,good dogs which will find anything actually not track sika or fallow
Now you tell me they don't know the difference
This is why you should give the dogs as much deer blood up their noses as possible,preferably different species as well
Dogs have wonderful noses as we all know
I know of and have seen dogs that have been brought up with 100's,yes 100's of searches for roe and red,good dogs which will find anything actually not track sika or fallow
Now you tell me they don't know the difference
This is why you should give the dogs as much deer blood up their noses as possible,preferably different species as well
I disagree with you there Alan but you know that. In my view the closer you are to reality the better.
See the story about the 6 months HS I just wrote about. She was taught from a very early age on the real thing, deer and or boar blood, hoofs from deer and at the end the skin or a bit of it from the same animal. Thus the switch from theory to practise was minimal.
That is why I am so insistant to use only real, non salted non watered blood and hoof and skin of the same animal.
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I have got to agree with the real thing use the blood or anything else from the types of animals you are to follow track. I think it needs to be made clear that there is a very big difference between a tracking dog and a deer dog. Can we have both i believe so but the training will need to be some what different from the Tracking only or the winding and hot trail of the accompanying deer dog. The person who tries to combine both will need to be careful that the training of one skill is not negative to a different skill.
Gazza
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Many different views each with it's own story of success. I have never used anything but deer blood simply because I can get whatever deer blood I want and it certainly makes sense to use deer blood but I know of trainers who have also succeeded using cow, pig blood simply because that was what was available to them. To me the essential is to get the dog to track, once he has that established transfering him onto deer blood should hopefully be achieved without too much hassle.
What I find a bit off is somebody declaring that others are speaking boll**ks just because they do it differently.
What I find a bit off is somebody declaring that others are speaking boll**ks just because they do it differently.
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A very good point indeed.
Jagare
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So jamross65 why don't you start training your labs and spaniels to retrieve with real pheasants? The way you discribe training to retrieve is the same process as training a tracking dog.
I could get any amount of boar , moose or deer blood but its easier to buy blood without lumps in it. It comes frozen and lasts a good long while.
I say it again if people think that dragging a pup around with you while stalking will give you a tracking dog then they are talking böllocks.
I could get any amount of boar , moose or deer blood but its easier to buy blood without lumps in it. It comes frozen and lasts a good long while.
I say it again if people think that dragging a pup around with you while stalking will give you a tracking dog then they are talking böllocks.
Wolverine
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Spot on
Hot scents(let's call less than 8 hours old)have what I'd term fear or adrenaline scent attached to them
Cold scents are the bit that needs more training IMO
Dogs with experience with hotter scents will in time figure out a colder scent IMO
Still better to train for it than leave it to the lap of the gods
When a dogs on a cold scent if used to hotter scent they may well veer off onto unwounded game without training
As Gazza says if it works fine,I like to try and save finding out about the what ifs
Jagare,some dogs can be fully trained to deer by a year old,others 3years old
They're all different just like us
Of course we agree Alan but I would make one change in your statement "I say again, only those persons who have followed the course given by you and me will have a top class tracking dog as they have been taught the right way! ".
You read like you are in a bad mood. Have a drink on me or do you want to wait till April?
With a bit of luck you will then meet Jamross65 with his new dog.
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