Best Bullet .243 for all UK deer

Genuine question, does the 80gr give you enough stopping power?
in my experiance with the 6.5 100 grain and the 120 in the Barnes tTSX ... The 100 actually kills better further out , its faster of course by a reasonable margin and remember weights are very near to 100% retention . its longer than a lead 100 grain . Speed of impact i feel is more relevant with this round than it is with lead as at over say 350 yards the petals start to not form very much ( i have shot red stags further ) and have shot all species of UK deer with this round except fallow ( haven't shot a fallow for decades in fact with anything )
I am currently looking at re- adding a 243 for a dedicated after dark rifle for Fox and night culling i have absolute confidence in the 80 grain doing the job very well with the increased speed it might very well be expected to open up further than the 100 grain on those longer shots. It will also be a drop down in recoil making spotting the strikes through the scope to impact easier to see. here are some expanded recoverd barnes fired by the 260 to illustrate
 

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If you don’t want excessive damage the SST is the last bullet you want. It stands for, super shock tip, i.e. it smashes the sh*t out of the deer.
I bought a box of 243 SST ammo once. Shot a Roe buck with it. May as well have used a grenade as it would have caused less damage. Pretty much chopped the carcass in half on the loin and threw the front half in the bin. I suspect on bigger deer they would blow up on the shoulder but not necessarily penetrate through to the vitals.
 
Can I ask why?

I'm also on the same journey as OP with regards to finding a starting place for .243 deer rounds!
from my limited experiences with plastic tipped and lighter weight bullets, they do seem to do a lot more damage especially to smaller species, i think it is mostly down to speed, i shot a few some years ago with 80gn soft points which also made a bit of a mess, just my opinion but im sure that the slightly heavier bullets travelling a bit slower just dont make as much mess, im sure others will have found different though
 
I bought a box of 243 SST ammo once. Shot a Roe buck with it. May as well have used a grenade as it would have caused less damage. Pretty much chopped the carcass in half on the loin and threw the front half in the bin. I suspect on bigger deer they would blow up on the shoulder but not necessarily penetrate through to the vitals.
Yeah not uncommon with cup and core at short ranges high velocity . years ago i called in a roe buck by kicking its rubbing off tree shot him broadside chest , with a 243 70 grain i think ( this was a long while ago). bullet dropped him great, the plastic tip was found on the inner pelt not a single trace of the bullet itself it must have broken up into a lead and copper dust . bullet was obviously traveling way faster than the norm at super cllose range. Lead just does not behave as predictable as todays copper
 
Yeah not uncommon with cup and core at short ranges high velocity . years ago i called in a roe buck by kicking its rubbing off tree shot him broadside chest , with a 243 70 grain i think ( this was a long while ago). bullet dropped him great, the plastic tip was found on the inner pelt not a single trace of the bullet itself it must have broken up into a lead and copper dust . bullet was obviously traveling way faster than the norm at super cllose range. Lead just does not behave as predictable as todays copper
The only predictable thing about lead is the way in which it messes up the immune system. Currently reviewing some of data that supports a clinical trial. P53 proteins are produced naturally within cells. At a very simplistic level their job is catching hold of other odd proteins, in particular those in cancerous cells and getting them out of the body along with the usual waste from motabolism. Heavy metals, in particular lead prevent the p53 proteins from unfolding and catching hold of other rogue proteins. Zinc is an important part of p53 and this mechanism. Lead displaces the zinc.

Net result is that even very low levels lead in the blood and other tissues can stop p53 from working.

Using Chelation drugs to remove the lead and other heavy metals such as cadmium, allows the p53 to start working again. This approach has now being used as orphan drug in the US with chelation being used alongside chemotherapy in Leukaemias. The results are showing that vast majority of patients are showing no sign of the disease after several months.

The technology is now being focused on other aggressive diseases such as pancreatic and small cell lung cancers.

There is also a growing body of evidence on the roll of p53 in preventing degenerative disease such as alzheimers and Parkinson's, and there is a thesis that a similar approach may well have a beneficial action.

I appreciate that many in the world of shooting world enjoy the taste of lead marinated meat.

But regardless of any of the above, my experience with monolithic bullets is that are much better overall approach to creating a rifle bullet for killing game animals. You need to consider which bullet you will use and its velocity. You also need to put it a bit further forward so that it does hit some muscle to initiate expansion. They cut a good permanent wound channel and create a deep temporary wound channel that will right through the animal. And they stay in one piece minimising carcass damage.

In terms of cost, monolithics are more expensive than cup and core. Cup and cores are about 50p each. Monolithics about £1 to £1.50.

With my 243 using lead 100gn soft points I typically lost most of the shoulder meat, in particular the offside shoulder. Perhaps 2 or 3kg of venison.

Now with an 80gn Fox I just cut away the hole, loosing perhaps 500g.

Venison retails at upwards of £15 per kg in local butcher. Or another way - i am getting at least two extra meals for the family off one Roe buck.
 
The only predictable thing about lead is the way in which it messes up the immune system. Currently reviewing some of data that supports a clinical trial. P53 proteins are produced naturally within cells. At a very simplistic level their job is catching hold of other odd proteins, in particular those in cancerous cells and getting them out of the body along with the usual waste from motabolism. Heavy metals, in particular lead prevent the p53 proteins from unfolding and catching hold of other rogue proteins. Zinc is an important part of p53 and this mechanism. Lead displaces the zinc.

Net result is that even very low levels lead in the blood and other tissues can stop p53 from working.

Using Chelation drugs to remove the lead and other heavy metals such as cadmium, allows the p53 to start working again. This approach has now being used as orphan drug in the US with chelation being used alongside chemotherapy in Leukaemias. The results are showing that vast majority of patients are showing no sign of the disease after several months.

The technology is now being focused on other aggressive diseases such as pancreatic and small cell lung cancers.

There is also a growing body of evidence on the roll of p53 in preventing degenerative disease such as alzheimers and Parkinson's, and there is a thesis that a similar approach may well have a beneficial action.

I appreciate that many in the world of shooting world enjoy the taste of lead marinated meat.

But regardless of any of the above, my experience with monolithic bullets is that are much better overall approach to creating a rifle bullet for killing game animals. You need to consider which bullet you will use and its velocity. You also need to put it a bit further forward so that it does hit some muscle to initiate expansion. They cut a good permanent wound channel and create a deep temporary wound channel that will right through the animal. And they stay in one piece minimising carcass damage.

In terms of cost, monolithics are more expensive than cup and core. Cup and cores are about 50p each. Monolithics about £1 to £1.50.

With my 243 using lead 100gn soft points I typically lost most of the shoulder meat, in particular the offside shoulder. Perhaps 2 or 3kg of venison.

Now with an 80gn Fox I just cut away the hole, loosing perhaps 500g.

Venison retails at upwards of £15 per kg in local butcher. Or another way - i am getting at least two extra meals for the family off one Roe buck.
That last bit just shows the difference of cost v benefit of using copper works ! when it comes to deer and lets be fair if you shoot a box of twenty your quids in even if your so bad a shot you needed two bullets for every beast
 
Another for the Sierra pro hunter 100grn, particularly if you are shooting reds. I'd be happy to go lighter for Roe or smaller, Barnes 80gn TTSX have worked well.
 
That last bit just shows the difference of cost v benefit of using copper works ! when it comes to deer and lets be fair if you shoot a box of twenty your quids in even if your so bad a shot you needed two bullets for every beast
Or you use ten rounds to zero and shoot ten deer with the rest. With my Fox load, I used @Edinburgh Rifles factory data. Shot a 3 round group. Less than inch. Loaded a few more - a few clicks right and down. Nice little triangle about 1” point of aim at 100. Loaded up the rest of the box of 50 and they will do for next wee while on deer, foxes, crow etc.

Just by the way monolithics work, these are much better IMHO on bigger deer than 100gn lead cored soft points. And given the additional energy that most 80gn loads have compared to 100gn, the. 80gn monolithics will be much much better than most 80 to 90gn lead cored bullets. Exception will be the expensive partition or bonded core bullets. Similar price point to monolithics, a bit more damage and you are still leaving plenty of lead in the carcass.
 
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Genuine question, does the 80gr give you enough stopping power?
Most 80gr loads are at significantly higher velocities than 100gn bullets so will leave the muzzle with more energy. At some point down range the slight better ballistics of 100gn take over and you end up with more energy - but this will be beyond normal shooting ranges.

Downside of a lead cored 80gn bullet is that it will impact with higher velocity and more energy than 100gn bullet. It will expand fragment quite a bit faster and the remaining may not have sufficient energy to penetrate very far into the animal. The 100gn bullets are still moving at 3000 fps give or take, and depending on the brand they may also blow up, especially put them in the shoulder.

By contrast monolithic bullet stay in one piece and penetrate right the way through. Deer don't function with a 1” diameter wound channel through the heart, aorta and major blood vessels of the lungs. The most vulnerable bits are towards the front of thoracic cavity so you have a bullet that can penetrate through the muscles and bone associated.
 
As the title says from personal experience which is the best bullet in .243 for taking UK deer whilst not destroying the carcass.

This is assuming heart/ lung shots 😉

Thanks in advance

JB
You dont say what species or what ranges you expect to engage them.
On pure energy an 80gr will start with more and carry more inside 300m than a similar factory 100gr from the same rifle
Bullet construction and shot placement has as much to do with "killing power", efficacy or terminal effect

nip a hard bullet between the ribs of a roe at range and you may get less expansion and more running
smash a roe in the shoulder with a fast frangible/soft bullet and expect lots of burgers and/or dog food

same bullets on a big stag will produce very different results

The 76gr Tipstrike Norma have swapped for the 75gr VMax in its factory offering is not as effective on foxes but is significantly more effective on larger thicker skinned game
I watched a lumpy Sika stag take 10 steps after a textbook high shoulder with the tipstrike
the 75gr Vmax may have done the same but experience tells me they broke up a lot faster on harder targets

match the bullet to your quarry
 
surprising ! i am thinks what did you try ? The 243 does need thought to application to purpose and species , its not a one bullet for everything . Now the laws have been changed as to weight i am going to re-add one , because of its versatility the TTSX should work perfectly sub 100 grain following the amount of big stags i have dropped with the 100 grain 6.5mm broadside shots and decent exits at good ranges
Off the top of my head Sierra Pro Hunter, Nosler Partition (I've since realised that the front end of those is more splatty than I thought), Hornady spire point, Nosler BT hunting. All at the heavy end as I was trying to slow it down as much as I could.

I'm a close range stalker. I think out in open fields it's not going to be so bad but when half the shots I took were at 50m or so, the velocity was simply too high. The same bullets but heavier and slower from a 6.5 Swede all worked admirably. I genuinely can't stand the .243, it's personal choice of course but I see it as one of the best foxing cartridges ever invented. A bag of soup is a good thing if you don't intend to eat it.
 
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