Just starting out what calibers/rifle recommendations

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Howa .308 1500 Black​

£1095.00
Howa .308 1500 BlackHowa .308 1500 BlackHowa .308 1500 BlackHowa .308 1500 Black
MAKE: Howa

MODEL: 1500 Black

TYPE: Rifle

COUNTRY: Japan

MECHANISM: Bolt Action

CALIBRE: .308

CONDITION: New

STOCK NO: 161216/001

WITH SIG SAUER WHISKEY3 4-12X50 SCOPE AND STALON MODERATOR
 
Bergara, never had one but a few storys about rust to put me off.
Regarding a scope, spend big on a good glass.
 
Any of the deer legal calibres will do. Personally, when I was in your position, I went and shouldered a bunch of rifles and realised quickly that I couldn’t afford any of the premium guns I felt comfortable with and I didn’t like any of the budget guns.
I ended up buying a s/h Sako 75 in .270. It’s a cracker, certainly didn’t break the bank and is well suited to copper if I have to move over to that at some point.
 
Bergara, never had one but a few storys about rust to put me off.
Regarding a scope, spend big on a good glass.
I love my B14 crest it shoots very well, but it's the only rifle I have where the bore will rust at the drop of a hat, my other rifles, Tikka, Benelli etc no such issue and I will admit with a hint of sadness that I wish I'd bought something else.

On that note, as others have said you can't really go wrong with a Tikka, but if you want something a bit marmite then the Benelli Lupo is worth a look. I can't fault mine, very pleasant rifle to use, just depends on whether you like the way it looks :)
 
At a recent meeting I was approached by a nice fella who was having issues with his rifle, a brand new .308 Bergara. He couldn’t get it to group well at all (2 inch plus groups) with virtually any ammunition other than one type. He had checked all was tight and the scope / mounts were ok leaving the rifle as the culprit. He hadn’t shot it without a moderator which was suggested. As the accuracy was poor I suggested returning it to the dealer as not fit for purpose. He told me that this was the second Bergara rifle and that the first one had also been returned under warranty (after a bit of an argument) due to a thread being cut off centre. Add to this comments from a well regarded gunsmith (who will remain nameless) regarding the quality of steel used - “they are made of cheese” and all in all they don’t seem very appealing to me. I’m sure if you get a good one they will be fine but the track record is not good enough for me to recommend them. Tikka on the other hand invariably turn out as shooters so are a much better bet as far as I can see.
Thanks for the reply Selous, the first guy sounds like he was really unlucky, it's very rare to hear of someone having to return 2 brand new rifles under warranty for 2 completely different reasons no matter what the make.

As for the unnamed gunsmith declaring the barrels to be made of cheese I'd take that statement with a pinch of salt, I'm not in anyway doubting you were told this but I find it hard to believe what the chap said was true, (not literally true of course).

Didn't Bergara start off as a company making nothing but barrels for other rifle manufacturers to use? A lot of the times people that come out with these type of statements have an axe to grind or an ulterior motive, I spent a good few hours reading up about Bergara rifles very recently and most of that time was spent reading owners actual experiences and I honestly saw nothing negative reported about them. It could well be a very recent issue that is only starting to crop up now so I'll be keeping an eye for any other reports.
 
If possible, as per @Selous, try as many different rifles as you can before you buy, using them off a set of sticks and a bipod would be even better, then having decided on which rifle ‘fits’ you best explore the calibre and chambering. If a rifle is comfortable you will always perform better with it than one that does not fit you well.
All deer legal calibres are deer legal for a reason.
Also consider your potential stalking, if you’re likely to be trudging miles across the moors you would be better if with a lighter rifle, conversely if mostly working from high seats/ static locations a rifles weight is not so much of a factor. Will the rifle also be used for target shooting?

I would suggest on going out on a few stalks first to get a taste of what’s involved, this way you will not only get a feel for stalking but get to try a range of rifles in various calibres/chamberings.
That's excellent advice, I'd just need to find some people willing to take me out
 
Thanks for the reply Selous, the first guy sounds like he was really unlucky, it's very rare to hear of someone having to return 2 brand new rifles under warranty for 2 completely different reasons no matter what the make.

As for the unnamed gunsmith declaring the barrels to be made of cheese I'd take that statement with a pinch of salt, I'm not in anyway doubting you were told this but I find it hard to believe what the chap said was true, (not literally true of course).

Didn't Bergara start off as a company making nothing but barrels for other rifle manufacturers to use? A lot of the times people that come out with these type of statements have an axe to grind or an ulterior motive, I spent a good few hours reading up about Bergara rifles very recently and most of that time was spent reading owners actual experiences and I honestly saw nothing negative reported about them. It could well be a very recent issue that is only starting to crop up now so I'll be keeping an eye for any other reports.
Pretty sure the Smith in question is on this thread, if so he’s been quite open about his doubts about Bergaras.

Apparently they changed steel suppliers which resulted in a bad batch of .308 barrels, this is now sorted. There was also an issue with bolts shrouds stripping threads, apparently also sorted now.

Hope so as I’ve just bought one in 300 PRC!

They do feel a little like the bottom metal and bolt shroud are made of monkey metal, barrel, bolt and action not so much.

Accuracy wise I’ve only shot a handful of rounds so far but those are all inside an inch, I think it will get tighter with a little more work- so accuracy is there.
 
Uh, @JMinter said don’t break the budget.
I would like a Rigby but it’s hardly budget and it’s out of most budgets.

@JMinter the .275 is essentially a 7x57 but .275rigby is the same thing with pedigree where the 7x57 was basically a military cartridge but has been around the world as an excellent hunting cartridge with the appropriate hunting projectiles.

If Red deer are in the equation look at what the legal minimum is for the UK because I don’t know anything about of your rules.

The .270 is a legal minimum in some states of Australia for Red deer and larger.

The .308 is a great all around choice and easy to handle with 150gn projectiles. I have owned a few and still use one but I also say “it’s common as muck” but it does the job everyday on every continent.

European chambering are not common in Australia, some are like the 6.5x55 but 7x57 is not common in new production rifles on the Australian market. The ballistic twin the 7mm-08 is available but still rare and overshadowed by the .308 presence.

The .270 is popular here but 7x57 or even the 7x64 have a little more of a classic appeal to me.

I own a 7mm-08 and 7x64 and I like the 7mm calibre.

I’m not going to bash the 6.5creedmoor. If you buy that ensure that you buy hunting ammo with the appropriate projectiles for hunting purposes. That goes for all cartridges. There are factory .308 loads for target use readily available too.

I like Tikka. Howa are great rifles in a lower price point but slightly heavier.

A lot of factory rifles are hunting accurate from new. Howa, Tikka and Remington have various accessories and upgrades if you want to customise them.

If Tikka suits your budget it’s the easy button.

Consider allowing reasonable budget for optics. Probably from 300quid. Not sure on the exchange rate but £500 is pretty decent and £1000 might get you into some really nice glass territory but don’t be fooled a £200 scope should be serviceable and reliable for hunting.
Awesome thanks mate! From what I'm reading in thinking a .270 or a .308 may be the way to go! I think I'll shop around those calibers considering the brands you've mentioned!
Although I was shown a rigby in a auction today with a Swarovski scope for £1k I was drawling! Shame it sold!
 
Take a look at Ian Hodges choice of Howa 1500 outfits.....For example...... Upgrade the stock as and when

Howa .308 1500 Black​

£1095.00
Howa .308 1500 BlackHowa .308 1500 BlackHowa .308 1500 BlackHowa .308 1500 Black
MAKE: Howa

MODEL: 1500 Black

TYPE: Rifle

COUNTRY: Japan

MECHANISM: Bolt Action

CALIBRE: .308

CONDITION: New

STOCK NO: 161216/001

WITH SIG SAUER WHISKEY3 4-12X50 SCOPE AND STALON MODERATOR

Looks excellent 👌
 
Pretty sure the Smith in question is on this thread, if so he’s been quite open about his doubts about Bergaras.

Apparently they changed steel suppliers which resulted in a bad batch of .308 barrels, this is now sorted. There was also an issue with bolts shrouds stripping threads, apparently also sorted now.

Hope so as I’ve just bought one in 300 PRC!

They do feel a little like the bottom metal and bolt shroud are made of monkey metal, barrel, bolt and action not so much.

Accuracy wise I’ve only shot a handful of rounds so far but those are all inside an inch, I think it will get tighter with a little more work- so accuracy is there.
If he's posting here then he should in all fairness back up what he said.
 
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