Bavarianbrit
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OK, interesting to read that. Knowing the way of the UK it was dumped somewhere else without any clarification, or am I just being too untrusting?
Lead update.
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How to be a member of the EU without actually being in the EU.
Found this American article.
Not exactly the same details/issues but giving a more interesting point of view.
For those that don’t want to read the article, here’s the last page.
Here’s the link to the full article.
www.spectroscopyonline.com
Not exactly the same details/issues but giving a more interesting point of view.
For those that don’t want to read the article, here’s the last page.
Here’s the link to the full article.
Our Daily Dose of Poison: A Look at Lead in the Food Supply | Spectroscopy Online
How much lead is in our daily lives? We take a look at current research concerning lead in the United States food supply and investigations using ICP-MS into the measurement of high concentrations of lead in food.
Just use steel and crack on mate
Then the HSE should produce it and cite it in their paper, instead of saying “yeah we haven’t got any evidence really but we recommend a ban anyway” which is what they’re doing now.
eggy74
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But there is also limits on how much is allowed to be in our water supply and even the air we breathe.
Heym SR20
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I wouldn’t disagree with you at all.
Dunwaters
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Ye can get used to that idea, anything you make and sell within the EU will have to be compliant with their rules and anything they make and sell to you will be compliant too.
Thats why your cars are getting speed regulators whether you like it or not.
Anyone that thinks this is anything other than politicians going for low hanging fruit is is an idiot - if they were really trying to stop lead there are numerous other sources of lead that would be addressed before shooting sports.
It’s a double win as they can play the environmental card and also say “we’re sticking it to those rich toffs that like guns and kill fluffy animals”…..
It’s a double win as they can play the environmental card and also say “we’re sticking it to those rich toffs that like guns and kill fluffy animals”…..
Uplander
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Personally I’m not concerned at all. Shotgun wise, and having shot Steel at wildfowl for the past 27 years I’m well aware how effective it can be. If you want to know how to get the best from it ask a seasoned coastal fowler. I still read extremely poor advice in the sporting press. Especially around pellet count. Steel only has a higher pellet count of the same size, not of same efficacious size. It needs choke. Use a choke of suitable dimension yet capable of handling steel. They exist. I’ll assume those who haven’t shot none toxic can’t have shot at wildfowl in the past two decades unless inland and north of the border.
Theres nothing new about these proposals whatsoever. I parted with my last 28 bore around 5 years ago as it was clear the market for smaller than a 20 bore was going to be significantly restricted to all but the most expensive alternatives such as TSS.
Rifle wise, the concern for .22 centrefires, rimfires and airguns is over. Centrefire wise just use a better choice of calibre.
Lead is toxic, much more so than was perviously known and yes it certainly has caused harm. Lead is being phased out of manufacturing and I’m quite happy to put the welfare of those who work in the industry above any desire to use a wall hanger. It’s carry on as normal here.
Theres nothing new about these proposals whatsoever. I parted with my last 28 bore around 5 years ago as it was clear the market for smaller than a 20 bore was going to be significantly restricted to all but the most expensive alternatives such as TSS.
Rifle wise, the concern for .22 centrefires, rimfires and airguns is over. Centrefire wise just use a better choice of calibre.
Lead is toxic, much more so than was perviously known and yes it certainly has caused harm. Lead is being phased out of manufacturing and I’m quite happy to put the welfare of those who work in the industry above any desire to use a wall hanger. It’s carry on as normal here.
Conor O'Gorman
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Whether you voted Yes or No for Brexit it is not your 'fault'. And as you point out the HSE recommendation is less draconian than if the UK were EU members (with exception of Northern Ireland due to the Brexit deal related NI protocol).
Have a look here at chemicals in the pipeline for restrictions: Restrictions - HSE
The next steps in the post-Brexit UK REACH process for 'lead in ammunition' are unchartered. As I mentioned earlier, in June 2023, the HSE proposed its recommendation for a restriction on hazardous substances in tattoo inks and permanent make-up in England, Wales and Scotland. This was the first restriction HSE has proposed since it took on the role of regulatory agency for UK REACH post-Brexit at the start of 2021. As far as I know there have been no legislative proposals arising from the HSE recommendations for hazardous substances in tattoo inks/permanent make-up or any other substances the HSE has made recommendations for thus far.
So, if the HSE recommendations on 'lead in ammunition' jump the queue for govt action relative to other chemicals already earmarked for restrictions then that would arguably be outwith due process.
Also, it is worth noting that some of the people and organisations calling for an immediate ban on all uses of lead ammunition regardless of the consequences were dismayed by the HSE review that began in 2021 and Wild Justice is critical of the latest HSE recommendations.
Leaden progress - Wild Justice
It looks as though we are moving, oh so slowly, towards the removal of lead ammunition from most of UK […]
wildjustice.org.uk
Lot of these small clubs are fibre wad only , not sure where we are with fibre cups yet,
We cant, we are fibre wad only on 3 farms we shoot on.
ContinShots
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The ban on shot for practical shotgun makes no sense. It's basically target shooting. It's normally on a range. Far less environmental 8moact than smallbore hunting.
Agreed, especially as the targets are no more than 1.5m high i believe on IPSC/UKPSA rules so shot isn't spread far like when shooting upwards at clays/birds
The other weird thing is they haven't said anything about slugs, so I guess lead slugs are still fine
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Define industry, how many and where in the world?
Rifle / shotgun shooting is in all likelihood be just a small part.
Armed forces throughout the world will continue to use lead so there will need to be some manufacturer, possibly in a Third World country who sets up manufacturing to take up the slack when the developed world manufacturers give up.
There are countries where someone’s shirt can be worth more than their life. Do you think those countries give a hoot about lead health issues?
Lead will still be used in poorer countries that refine precious metals.
Then we have the car battery industry which will carry on for a long time yet.
The developed world may phase it out, but it will still exist where there is little care given to people’s health
Smellydog
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Lead is in more products and processes than the masses realise. This is purely an attack on shooting sports. Otherwise there would be a definite link to illness from eating shot game and there isn't. It's the usual over hyped yellow card by anti blood sport types.
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