Why so few 7mm-08 factory loads?

7Miller

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So after my initial query regarding choice of calibre, it got me thinking more about the lack of factory ammunition available in the UK for the 7mm-08.

All the reviews I've seen, read and the stats I've seen, show the 7mm-08 a very, very capable calibre with often more positives than other calibres either side of it. Less recoil than 308, more energy than 6.5 creedmoor, etc etc.

So my question ISN'T about if the 7mm-08 is any good, my question is, with all the good things stated about the 7mm-08, is it going to be an obsolete round and religated to home loaders only?
Why are there such a limited resource for the factory loads?
 
I imagine it's because we are led by the American market. Being the biggest market chamberings offered on new rifles will be heavily influenced by sales in the US. Our domestic market will hardly be considered by the big manufacturers.

The reason 6.5 Creedmoor is becoming so widely available is in part due to its continued popularity across the pond and it is a good medium power option for UK shooters.

 
I have never really understood why the 7mm08 didn't catch on better, as most other stalkers I know always seem to "down load" their 308's or use 110 - 150 gr factory loads ?? I home load so I have never found a problem as there are many 7mm bullets available to try. Factory round wise you can usually find or get ordered in Nosler 140 BT hunting or if you like bang, flop and a big hole ! Hornady 139 SST. I find my Sako will handle most well from 120gr hollow points, up to 165 gr SP for anything big and hairy. I find its nice to stand out from the crowd a bit when asked "whats that"?? Its a great shame it wasn't marketed better at the time.
 
So whilst the market is small, do people expect it to get even harder in the future to get a decent factory load for it, this almost become an obsolete calibre?

I shot the 220 swift for years and it was phenomenal, but that didn't catch on like I expected it to do and ammunition for that calibre was also in shorter supply to the more usual 222, 223, 22-250 etc
 
It's just a game of numbers and volumes. Even in the US, the 7mm-08 ammo is not found in many offering on the shelves in gun stores, it's readily available by mail order in many options. I appreciate that the UK does not mail order ammo but I do find it in stock in my local area (Staffs / Derby) , OK the choice is slim but it is normally always in stock in 140gn. If you are not a hand loader, or you plan to shoot 100+ rounds a year, or you want a range of bullet types and weights I would definitely opt for the .308.

I shoot both calibers and there is little practical difference between them in reality.

Good luck with your new rifle.
 
It ain't rocket science.
In the UK, 22LR, 17HMR, 223Rem, 243Win 6.5Creedmoor, 270Win and 308Win will be found in most stores that sell rifle ammunition. The reason being that is what they sell the most of.
If you are lucky 6.5x55 and 30-06 as well.
Over here (Norway) it is 22LR, 223 remington, 6.5x55, 308win and 30-06 that are the big sellers. Maybe some 222 rem, 8x57 and 9.3x62 in well stocked stores.
If you want a non mainstream cartridge you need to be prepared to handload for it and potentially stock up on components when available.
And that in short is why 9 out of 10 shooters choose the 308win over the 7-08 Rem.
 
Its a great shame it wasn't marketed better at the time.

Well, there's a one-word explanation for that - Remington. After the bean-counters and later 'venture capital' people got hold of the company, it has never done a decent job introducing, and crucially post-introduction support for any of its new cartridge designs. Lots of introductions over the years, well until Vista International took it over anyway, but when did Remy last have a real success? Its really successful introductions were many decades ago - 222, 223, 22-250, 7mm Rem Magnum and suchlike. It has been behind the curve on every major shooting trend - short magnums, 6.5s, 'Modern Sporting Rifle' (AR-15 platform) designs. It trails along behind others instead of trailblazing and even when it does, if it's not an instant bestseller, it loses interest and lets it die on the vine. It's produced some excellent designs like the SAUMs, but too late behind Winchester and its pioneering WSMs, and so Remington ended brass production for most (all?) SAUM numbers years ago. Those in the know say the little .30RAR (Remington-AR) cartridge of 2008 for AR-15 type MSRs was a superb little beast, a really good light deer number, but it was a commercial flop, not adopted by anybody else, and is also long discontinued. The 6.8mm Rem SPC too never fulfilled its initial promise despite all the hoopla over it and its US military special-forces parentage and links. The SPC enthusiasts insist that Remington made a complete hash of the chamber throat, leade, and rifling twist-rate issues on 'productionising' the original wildcat models, so much so that there is a non-SAAMI 'SPC II' version used in nearly all target and hunting builds and gives lower chamber pressures and higher MVs. And who in Remington decided to leave the back end of the long-obsolete and low-pressure parent .30 Rem case unchanged so its version of the SPC has a Large Rifle primer with hardly any case-head surrounding it? Hardly surprising that aided and abetted by the chamber problems US military users had lots of over-pressure case related functioning problems in the Middle East summer heat and Remington had to download its factory production ammo pronto resulting in a failure to provide the nominal ballistics. (Hornady did the job properly with its SPC ammo redesigning the case to Small Primer and making the case-head much stronger.)

With Vista International now having sold its Outdoor Products group which includes Remington ammo and components to the successful CSG European conglomerate (The Czechoslovak Group), things might improve, or then again be milked purely as a profit cow, who knows where Remington goes in the future.
 
In NZ it’s in the top 5 calibres sold I believe. In many ways it’s their equivalent to your .243 in that it’s not as widely popular elsewhere in the world compared to other cartridges but for some reason it clicked with the kiwis in the same way .243 clicked in a big way with the poms.
 
In NZ it’s in the top 5 calibres sold I believe. In many ways it’s their equivalent to your .243 in that it’s not as widely popular elsewhere in the world compared to other cartridges but for some reason it clicked with the kiwis in the same way .243 clicked in a big way with the poms.
My only reservations about getting a 7mm-08 is the fact I'd HAVE to home load for it, which means a considerable outlay on top of the rifle and scope set up. That and the fear it becomes obsolete and has zero resale value. With such a limited supply of factory ammunition, most places I've found online stock just 2 varriants of which many are out of stock, I'd have to be bloody lucky to buy a rifle that the limited factory ammunition would group as tightly as I'd want it too.
 
There is your answer to ealrier thread ... .go .308....
Not worth grief trying to feed it
For near as damn it practically the same you
Can but factory and of ypu do homeland components for it are lot easier to come by

Paul
 
Well, there's a one-word explanation for that - Remington. After the bean-counters and later 'venture capital' people got hold of the company, it has never done a decent job introducing, and crucially post-introduction support for any of its new cartridge designs. Lots of introductions over the years, well until Vista International took it over anyway, but when did Remy last have a real success? Its really successful introductions were many decades ago - 222, 223, 22-250, 7mm Rem Magnum and suchlike. It has been behind the curve on every major shooting trend - short magnums, 6.5s, 'Modern Sporting Rifle' (AR-15 platform) designs. It trails along behind others instead of trailblazing and even when it does, if it's not an instant bestseller, it loses interest and lets it die on the vine. It's produced some excellent designs like the SAUMs, but too late behind Winchester and its pioneering WSMs, and so Remington ended brass production for most (all?) SAUM numbers years ago. Those in the know say the little .30RAR (Remington-AR) cartridge of 2008 for AR-15 type MSRs was a superb little beast, a really good light deer number, but it was a commercial flop, not adopted by anybody else, and is also long discontinued. The 6.8mm Rem SPC too never fulfilled its initial promise despite all the hoopla over it and its US military special-forces parentage and links. The SPC enthusiasts insist that Remington made a complete hash of the chamber throat, leade, and rifling twist-rate issues on 'productionising' the original wildcat models, so much so that there is a non-SAAMI 'SPC II' version used in nearly all target and hunting builds and gives lower chamber pressures and higher MVs. And who in Remington decided to leave the back end of the long-obsolete and low-pressure parent .30 Rem case unchanged so its version of the SPC has a Large Rifle primer with hardly any case-head surrounding it? Hardly surprising that aided and abetted by the chamber problems US military users had lots of over-pressure case related functioning problems in the Middle East summer heat and Remington had to download its factory production ammo pronto resulting in a failure to provide the nominal ballistics. (Hornady did the job properly with its SPC ammo redesigning the case to Small Primer and making the case-head much stronger.)

With Vista International now having sold its Outdoor Products group which includes Remington ammo and components to the successful CSG European conglomerate (The Czechoslovak Group), things might improve, or then again be milked purely as a profit cow, who knows where Remington goes in the future.

Once again Laurie offers excellent insight in to the industry and technical data.

The 7-08 is not a cartridge to select if you want factory ammunition.

However reloading shouldn’t be a significant outlay. It was the first large calibre centrefire cartridge I bought. I purchased a Lee anniversary kit and some Lee dies. I use Remington brass and shoot Nosler 140gr BT bullets. The only really outlay was my time developing a load. Which I managed to find the first time out. Considering any factory ammunition is £35-£40 a box, a cheap reloading kit is paid for in a couple of hundred rounds.

But to be honest, I shoot my 6.5 creedmoor and .308 more at the moment and use factory 🤣🤣🤣 that is only because of a house move and my reloading kit is a hand press so I only load target ammunition that I can’t buy off the shelf.

OP just get a 6.5 creedmoor and go shoot it.
 
My only reservations about getting a 7mm-08 is the fact I'd HAVE to home load for it, which means a considerable outlay on top of the rifle and scope set up. That and the fear it becomes obsolete and has zero resale value. With such a limited supply of factory ammunition, most places I've found online stock just 2 varriants of which many are out of stock, I'd have to be bloody lucky to buy a rifle that the limited factory ammunition would group as tightly as I'd want it too.
This is totally valid and a large part of the reason I got into reloading, I actually got into it so that I could shoot the likes of the 25-06 and 7x57R among others. Upon starting down that path I realised I could “make” the load I needed in my other rifles by picking the bullet I wanted to use and loading to match it. Most people come at it the other way! This also means that I buy rifles in calibres that I probably won’t sell so don’t have to worry about depreciation.

I agree with Sauer, if you don’t want to have the outlay of reloading gear and can’t be arsed with it then .308 is for you.

Just stay away from the 6.5’s for boar….270 is the normal minimum for a reason.
 
My only reservations about getting a 7mm-08 is the fact I'd HAVE to home load for it, which means a considerable outlay on top of the rifle and scope set up. That and the fear it becomes obsolete and has zero resale value. With such a limited supply of factory ammunition, most places I've found online stock just 2 varriants of which many are out of stock, I'd have to be bloody lucky to buy a rifle that the limited factory ammunition would group as tightly as I'd want it too.
In no way I am suggesting you should go for 7mm-08 as you know best your needs. But looking for the price of ammunition today I personally would consider reloading for any cartridge and there again another "but" if you shoot a 100 or less rounds per year then factory stuff is the way to go. Factory ammunition doesn't necessarily mean bad, if you can source let says 3 different offerings for chosen chambering if not all at least 1or 2 of them will shoot amazingly accurate
 
In no way I am suggesting you should go for 7mm-08 as you know best your needs. But looking for the price of ammunition today I personally would consider reloading for any cartridge and there again another "but" if you shoot a 100 or less rounds per year then factory stuff is the way to go. Factory ammunition doesn't necessarily mean bad, if you can source let says 3 different offerings for chosen chambering if not all at least 1or 2 of them will shoot amazingly accurate
That is part of what I've been thinking. Will the amount of use I may give them warrant homeloading outlay.
 
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