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EU ban on lead ammunition for airguns, shotguns and rifles
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unless my maths is wrong 1.2% of 135 birds is 1.6 birds how can .6 of a bird have lead shot in its gizzard?
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Conor O'Gorman
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Perhaps you need to read the paper itself.unless my maths is wrong 1.2% of 135 birds is 1.6 birds how can .6 of a bird have lead shot in its gizzard?
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In all your posts regarding lead shot have you ever posted information that supports the use of lead shot under any circumstances as per BASC’s policy of a voluntary transition or have they all without exception carried information that would justify a legislative ban ?That is not true and well you know it. When lead shot is eaten by birds mistaking it for seed or grit then that lead shot gets eroded in the gizzard and is metabolised into toxic lead salts that are absorbed into blood and later deposited in the kidneys, liver, bones etc. with resulting ill effects. A single pellet may kill some birds, for others it's a few pellets. The lethal and sub-lethal effects vary from species to species. Here is just one of many studies since the 1960s exploring the clinical pathway.
Lead toxicity in captive and wild Mallards (Anas platyrhynchos) in Spain (2010)
Forty captive Mallards (Anas platyrhynchos), of both sexes, were separated into five groups and dosed with lead shot via oral intubation; one group was used as a control. Lead dosage differed in terms of shot number and size, as well as administration time. One hundred and thirty-five wild mallards were trapped between 1998 and 2001 in the Boada and Nava lagoons near the Canal de Castilla, in the Spanish province of Palencia. Radiologic techniques (ventrodorsal and lateral views) were used to detect lead shot in the gizzard and to determine degradation in dosed birds over time. Heparinized blood samples were taken from wild and captive mallards and blood lead levels were determined using anodic stripping voltammetry with a dropping mercury electrode. Clinical signs, injuries, and body weight were recorded. In approximately 90% of the experimentally dosed mallards, administered shot stayed in their gizzard until it degraded; this took approximately 30 days. Peak lead levels in blood were observed between days 10 and 20, and 10 days following a repeat dosage; males were more sensitive than females to a repeat dosage. During the experimental phase, 34% of birds died, and those that survived had varying degrees of anorexia, lethargy, and a decreased response to external stimulus. Of 135 tested wild mallards, 41% had a blood lead concentration higher than 0.200 microg/g. Lead shot was found embedded in 3.6% of the wild birds and 1.2% had a lead shot pellet in their gizzard.
Lead toxicity in captive and wild Mallards (Anas platyrhynchos) in Spain - PubMed
Forty captive Mallards (Anas platyrhynchos), of both sexes, were separated into five groups and dosed with lead shot via oral intubation; one group was used as a control. Lead dosage differed in terms of shot number and size, as well as administration time. One hundred and thirty-five wild...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
I ask because your contributions don’t reflect anyone who has the best interests of shooting sports at heart. Do you actually shoot or is your appointment a reflection of a perceived need for someone with the ability to politically influence issues surrounding field sports.
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timbrayford
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I've given you my response, how was charm school anyway?
Conor O'Gorman
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No, you have not. To repeat, do you believe there is evidence of birds ingesting lead shot in the wild within wetlands?
why will the figures change ? your extract clearly states
Of 135 tested wild mallards, 41% had a blood lead concentration higher than 0.200 microg/g. Lead shot was found embedded in 3.6% of the wild birds and 1.2% had a lead shot pellet in their gizzard.
Makes a mockery of the document does it not? .6 of bird
timbrayford
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Conor , I clearly recall giving you my response, the fact that it might not be what you hoped for is of no concern of mine.
To repeat do you have figures that quantify the impact of any lead shot ingestion. It seems to be a question you are unable to answer even with a simple yes or no.
Dunwaters
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It’s on pause since the agriculture ministers of a few countries told them that they had no interest in, or need to introduce a ban so they weren’t going to do it.
Spear Chucker
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Oh blimey Conor...I just happened to be online at the time. You are clearly running out of road intellectually...we shouldn't really be discussing this anyway. We were sold out by BASC and the CA years ago.
All your job is about is selling the pill to your subscription payers. "It was the right thing to do" "it was inevitable" "we did well, delaying it as long as we did" "the weight of evidence was against us".
BASC is no worse and no better than any of the other representative bodies for interest groups. More like vaseline than repellent.
Leec6.5
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If you don’t shoot grouse, they will die of disease end of subject, shooting goes hand-in-hand with the birds survivalfear not you will not need cartridges for game shooting regardless of them being lead or anything else.
Grouse shooting first.
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sikamalc
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This lead business seems to be a bee in a lot of peoples heads.
At days end just carry on with lead, like I will do until the day I drop. I get it over wetlands, where wildfowl can take it into their bodies through feeding. As far as stalking is concerned I have yet to be convinced that copper is the magic answer, having seen a number of incidents where copper was used.
Its a changing world we live in these days, some of it NOT for the better in my opinion.
This lead debate will rumble on, no doubt. To me its like EV cars, some people like them, many dont. Me being one of them. So lets drop this consistent barracking of certain organisations, there's little point as nothing will change what the EU and our present bunch of muppets in number 10 put in place.
At days end just carry on with lead, like I will do until the day I drop. I get it over wetlands, where wildfowl can take it into their bodies through feeding. As far as stalking is concerned I have yet to be convinced that copper is the magic answer, having seen a number of incidents where copper was used.
Its a changing world we live in these days, some of it NOT for the better in my opinion.
This lead debate will rumble on, no doubt. To me its like EV cars, some people like them, many dont. Me being one of them. So lets drop this consistent barracking of certain organisations, there's little point as nothing will change what the EU and our present bunch of muppets in number 10 put in place.
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