A rant about coarse fishing and river woes

Not sure what your saying but Hares are Game not vermin like rabbits and the law changes regarding this . in my experience over the years hare are often shot in ignorance of the law at night and also via mis identification ( mainly shooting immature hare ) .
Might as well bang my head against the wall.
Hares can be shot at night you are totally wrong . The law has been posted previously yet you still ignore it.
 
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Not sure what your saying but Hares are Game not vermin like rabbits and the law changes regarding this . in my experience over the years hare are often shot in ignorance of the law at night and also via mis identification ( mainly shooting immature hare ) .

Law​

There are no specific legal restrictions on the night shooting of foxes. Authorised persons may legally carry out this form of fox control. Ensure that you comply with previous guidance in this code.

The night shooting of rabbits and hares by tenants or occupiers of land, who are not the owners of the land, is subject to the following restrictions. These do not apply to landowners, but they should be aware of the legal restrictions on shooting hares at night:

The Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 (Schedule 7) amended Section 6 of the Ground Game Act 1880 and Section 50 of the Agricultural (Scotland) Act 1948, to allow night shooting of ground game under certain conditions.
 
Well back to some other trivial fishing facts.
Sawyers Killer Bug or nymph,was tied when he spent his time as a river keeper on the Avon I think, in an effort to eradicate Grayling, considered a pest.
The yarn,along with the copper turns a pinkish colour,and was so effective it was aptly named the killed bug.
 
I spent time splashing in the River Derwent this morning with a lure. Upon talking to club members as I’ve only just joined, having diversified my sporting activities following an accident, they say it’s fished poorly for a few years. Well on this stretch. There have been a few changes, a hydro electric plant and otters emerging into the area.

A mile down stream and I’ve had my first experience of seeing Barbel in a river. They are something else. I’ve fished for trout in years gone by and carp in muddy puddles but these fish are epic to see in shallow water.

My opinion is that all ecosystems move through phases and no matter the influences there is always one species that thrives whilst the other struggles. 10 miles up stream and trout on the same river are dancing for the emerging nymphs on the surface.

The cycle has different influences. But at the same time it’s just going to happen. On review I am one those who doesn’t believe in global warming. It’s just life moving on 🤣
 
Did you find the law? Ive looked and would like your help finding that one
look it up for yourself ask it is a Hare classed as game in England , wales and Scotland , Northern Ireland . Then you will actually know the full truth of the matter ! am fed up with numpties . There are many deep Legal pits to fall into in shooting hares , who gives you the legal permission, tenant farms , can the local butcher but or sell them etc erc . Ethics seem to be nothing to so many shooters today once they think they have " A right " Well there are still pits to fall into
All that i am aware of in way of change was the ability to kill out of season under specific set or rules . ( and yet it far from a free for all for all reasons of any season )
Small Rabbits are ok to fend for a meal themselves once they can get out of the warren - But its far different for the Leveret ! That's just Ethics and common sense
 
look it up for yourself ask it is a Hare classed as game in England , wales and Scotland , Northern Ireland . Then you will actually know the full truth of the matter ! am fed up with numpties . There are many deep Legal pits to fall into in shooting hares , who gives you the legal permission, tenant farms , can the local butcher but or sell them etc erc . Ethics seem to be nothing to so many shooters today once they think they have " A right " Well there are still pits to fall into
All that i am aware of in way of change was the ability to kill out of season under specific set or rules . ( and yet it far from a free for all for all reasons of any season )
Small Rabbits are ok to fend for a meal themselves once they can get out of the warren - But its far different for the Leveret ! That's just Ethics and common sense
Nobody is doubting that hares are classified as game.
The bit you seem to be deluded about is night shooting.
For some reason, you have got it into your head that hares cannot legally be shot at night, as you have stated several times in this thread.
Everyone else believes that you've got that wrong.
All you have to do to prove your detractors wrong is provide a link to a piece of legislation that says hares cannot be shot at night.
But as far as anyone else has been able to ascertain, there is no such legislation.
 
look it up for yourself ask it is a Hare classed as game in England , wales and Scotland , Northern Ireland . Then you will actually know the full truth of the matter ! am fed up with numpties . There are many deep Legal pits to fall into in shooting hares , who gives you the legal permission, tenant farms , can the local butcher but or sell them etc erc . Ethics seem to be nothing to so many shooters today once they think they have " A right " Well there are still pits to fall into
All that i am aware of in way of change was the ability to kill out of season under specific set or rules . ( and yet it far from a free for all for all reasons of any season )
Small Rabbits are ok to fend for a meal themselves once they can get out of the warren - But its far different for the Leveret ! That's just Ethics and common sense
No need for name calling!
I think your wrong hare is GROUND GAME.
No where can i find a law that says you cant shoot hares at night, no law has changed in england regarding brown hares, scotland has changed the laws on blue/mountain hares.
If you are aware of a law or change please correct me.
 
look it up for yourself ask it is a Hare classed as game in England , wales and Scotland , Northern Ireland . Then you will actually know the full truth of the matter ! am fed up with numpties . There are many deep Legal pits to fall into in shooting hares , who gives you the legal permission, tenant farms , can the local butcher but or sell them etc erc . Ethics seem to be nothing to so many shooters today once they think they have " A right " Well there are still pits to fall into
All that i am aware of in way of change was the ability to kill out of season under specific set or rules . ( and yet it far from a free for all for all reasons of any season )
Small Rabbits are ok to fend for a meal themselves once they can get out of the warren - But its far different for the Leveret ! That's just Ethics and common sense
You are the numpty , you won't be told. The issue is hares being shot at night which is legal yet you still argue against it.
 
Probably going to start a bun fight with this one

I've been a keen sea angler all my life despite living as far from the sea as is possible in England. Recently I have been getting into coarse fishing to scratch the itch somewhat and oh my goodness what a ****ing mess it all is.

The obvious major problem is what the hell has happened to our rivers. The utter state of them is a national disgrace and I would welcome criminal prosecutions to those responsible for destroying our water ways, and these asshole anglers that leave all their **** at the river bank when they're done fishing. People have absolutely no respect for the natural environment these days and it boils my p*ss to see empty cans and bottles, discarded equipment and tackle lining the bank.

Then on top of all that we've got the regulations. Now I don't mind regulations, they're a good thing for preserving fish stocks and so on and I think the general coarse and game fishing regulations in this country are good. Open and close seasons to give fish a break, and if you're of the mind to take a pike or perch home to eat (if you find a stretch of river clean enough) then you can if they're of a certain size. I will say this however, the attitude from the general coarse angler and their associations of disdain towards people who would like to fish for something to eat from their local water is utterly repulsive. If you want to catch and release go ahead, some people might want to take that jack pike home. Presumably we all got into deer stalking for a similar reason. And of course you'll need to find a stretch of river that you can take a fish from which is pretty difficult as the angling associations have lapped up the majority of fishing rights for our water ways and then impart their own rules for it which would then make you liable for theft if you were to ignore them. I don't even want to get started on how I feel about someone owning the fish in the river even if they aren't the land owner (yes I feel the same about the archaic system of sporting rights).

Well at least we can get down to the river to get rid of some invasive crayfish and perhaps get a good feed at the end of it. Or perhaps not, because these same fecking angling associations often forbid crayfishing in their membership rules too! The EA won't even give you a trapping permit these days unless you've got permission from a land owner with rights/association with rights to do so. And then of course you'll need to kill them all immediately upon removal so no chance to purge them.

The absolute state of coarse fishing and rivers for the common man who likes to catch fish to feed himself in this country is a joke. Rant over
I Worked for a year re estsblishing a fishery on n yorkshire only for it to be wiped out by a farming dumping dihestant upstream. I provided all the evidence that the EA asled for but theu still didnt prpsecute. They knew he did it because he had form. Total embarassment.
 
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