1 for 1?

[VSS]

Went back to my buddy and his Firearms Officer confirmed they allow one month from disposal to applying for variation.
He did say this is a recent ruling as in the past they didn’t put a time limit on the period between selling and applying for a variation, hence his surprise when asked for £47.
Ken.

That makes more sense.

 

[Liveonce]

i have had a quick look through the statutory guidance and firearms act and fee increases announcement and can find nothing that gives a time constraint for a 1:4:1 variation, only in the fee announcement £47 (not like for like).

this from the act.

 

[Liveonce]

That makes more sense.

sense or the law ie one month

 

[Foxyboy43]

A bit different in this far-flung corner of the UK…
We have a bandit banded system basically rimfire; c/f up to 22:250 and then above that where you can seal the deal across the counter and walk out with your new toy - provided it is within the same band, not on for range only and upon payment of something like £15 (from memory).
No - I don’t know why it is different either….

 

[Twodogs]

10.34 The application form for the variation of a firearm certificate (Form 201V) should be used for applications to vary a certificate. The certificate holder should submit their firearm certificate, along with the completed Form 201V, and, where appropriate, the fee, to the firearms licensing department. A fee is payable only in respect of variations which increase the number of firearms to which the certificate relates: if the holder wishes to dispose of one firearm and replace it with another then no fee is payable. It is not normally necessary to re-examine the applicant’s circumstances, but this may be necessary in individual cases. Although no time limit is normally placed on acquiring the firearm to which the variation applies, failure to do so over a reasonable period, without good reason, may be taken as lack of genuine intention. As referred to in 10.14, chief officers should take into account any difficulties collectors may face in finding examples of collectible or heritage firearms suitable for their collections. Time limits should not apply where reasonable attempts to procure the firearm(s) concerned are being or have been made.

 

[25 Sharps]

Never knew this.
If you sell a firearm and want to buy another without incurring a fee, (1 for 1) you must make your purchase within one month of the one you sold.
Sure there wasn’t always a time limit on the transaction.
Ken.

There isn’t a time limit, though some FLDs seem to enforce one, often a week.

 

[ashray]

thames valley informed me that i have to ask for a 1 4 1 variation WITHIN SEVEN DAYS OF SELLING A FIREARM or they will require a fee. once /if granted i have as long as my fac is valid for to buy the replacement.

 

[Liveonce]

Now this is where conor basc could make a useful contribution for the benefit of members, as to where the within seven days of selling a firearm is specified in law.

 

[M@tt]

Ask TVP nicely why they think it is necessary to go against the HO Guidance, considered best practice, in this matter. And get it in writing, via email perhaps. I'd be interested in their response, and having to put it in writing, and their name to it, often makes them reconsider their position.

Refer them to Para 10.36 of the Guidance, which specifically says "There is no set time in which the certificate holder must apply for a replacement authority once their firearm is disposed of."

 

[Keith Edmunds]

.................... to qualify for a one for one variation, the weapon needs to be disposed of, and an application submitted within seven days..........................

 

[Liveonce]

.................... to qualify for a one for one variation, the weapon needs to be disposed of, and an application submitted within seven days..........................

say who in law ?

 

[Keith Edmunds]

say who in law ?

Says Suffolk and Norfolk on my latest variation. I just paid it.

 

[Liveonce]

Says Suffolk and Norfolk on my latest variation. I just paid it.

however see post #29 , ask for your money back .

 

[M@tt]

Says Suffolk and Norfolk on my latest variation. I just paid it.

Classic misinterpretation by Suffolk and Norfolk.

You have to notify of the disposal within seven days, there is no limit to the time required to make the 1-4-1 variation (except the expiry of the certificate of course).

 

[Keith Edmunds]

however see post #29 , ask for your money back .

it is useful info but the last thing I want to do is slow the process down. Before Suffolk joined with Norfolk, a variation used to take between one and two weeks - my best was 7 days flat - very impressive. I am currently on week 9 so don't want any further delay. I might raise that point once I have my FAC back and new gun in the cabinet.

 

[Liveonce]

it is useful info but the last thing I want to do is slow the process down. Before Suffolk joined with Norfolk, a variation used to take between one and two weeks - my best was 7 days flat - very impressive. I am currently on week 9 so don't want any further delay. I might raise that point once I have my FAC back and new gun in the cabinet.

understand, but this mission creep or cherry picking the HO statutory guidance needs to be challenged, they increased the fees significantly so should at least work to the law, statutory guidance,

This is the sort of issue BASC should be investigating and bringing up when they meet with MPs and the police.

 

[25 Sharps]

Now this is where conor basc could make a useful contribution for the benefit of members, as to where the within seven days of selling a firearm is specified in law.

It’s not.

And why do you have to bring BASC into it?

 

[timbrayford]

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just to ask, I haven't checked my copy of Act & HO guidance yet, but is that what the law actually requires or is it just another police fantasy trip?

 

[25 Sharps]

Ask TVP nicely why they think it is necessary to go against the HO Guidance, considered best practice, in this matter. And get it in writing, via email perhaps. I'd be interested in their response, and having to put it in writing, and their name to it, often makes them reconsider their position.

Refer them to Para 10.36 of the Guidance, which specifically says "There is no set time in which the certificate holder must apply for a replacement authority once their firearm is disposed of."

To be fair, you missed the rest of the para out that says this is normally within seven days but it is down to the issuing force.

The point is however, there is no time limit on the legislation and a fee should only be levied if there is an increase in the number of firearms held. 1:4:1 is not subject to a fee.

 

[timbrayford]

It’s not.

And why do you have to bring BASC into it?

I wouldn't bother, perhaps shooting orgs. have had their day and we all need to stand up for ourselves as individuals instead?