Who’s happy with the lead ban and bascs handling of it ?

[Heym SR20]

Its not work its a hobby you plank. Different if its your job like a pest controller , I have a job as well.

Im not moaning about cartridges I spend what I have to for my hobby no problem but bismuth is ridiculously expensive .

Bismuth are very expensive- granted. However in a very large number of shotguns you don’t need to use Bismuth as there are plenty of standard steel alternatives that will work and that are priced at similar price points to lead. If you shoot a 12, lots of options, 16 and 20 fewer. 28 and 410’s there are steel options offered in other markets such as Denmark, so the technology is there, just needs adopting in the UK. In the 12,16 and 20, the options are mostly in a 70mm or 2 3/4” cartridge. There are options for 2 1/2” steel but fewer.

 

[shakey jake]

I don't use Bismuth and never will I shoot lead. Come 2029 will have to move to steel.

I can afford to shoot dont worry about that , I will never stop as its all I do.

Out of interest what do you charge for shooting foxes and rabbits ?

Normally around £300+vat a night

 

[bigtone]

Normally around £300+vat a night

F- me it's the other way around in these parts,you pay the farmer to control his vermin.

 

[VSS]

F- me it's the other way around in these parts,you pay the farmer to control his vermin.

Well that's just nuts!

 

[bowji john]

Parts of the lead ban make sense

Parts smell of politics

BASC has always served me well

They are the closest thing to a professional governing body that we commercial creatures have

As such, they have my continued support

 

[timbrayford]

Rather looks like the ban it brigade are very much in the minority!

 

[Tony Morgan]

A foolish and vexatious post, as many agree, and the responses mostly do SD no credit.

Worse, they encourage the OP to think he's done something clever.

 

[tackb]

A foolish and vexatious post, as many agree, and the responses mostly do SD no credit.

Worse, they encourage the OP to think he's done something clever.

well that accusation could be levelled at many social media posts and yes many in this particular forum...........

 

[Utectok]

Not happy, but I'm not a BASC member anyway. Plus I shall carry on with lead either way, despite what anyone says, for stalking. And I think many others will do as well.

Personally I don’t think that is really a good policy. Particularly as really good no toxic bullets exist. Why don’t you try some? Granted you may have to reload as the off the shelf non toxic bullets are a pretty mixed bag but you’d be surprised how good some bullets for reloading are.

 

[hendrix's rifle]

Personally I don’t think that is really a good policy. Particularly as really good no toxic bullets exist. Why don’t you try some? Granted you may have to reload as the off the shelf non toxic bullets are a pretty mixed bag but you’d be surprised how good some bullets for reloading are.

The issue comes in when you like ringing gongs at range after your morning stalk - certainly for me anyway. I shoot because I enjoy it. Knowing ill potentially be shooting 20-30 rounds, if not more, at a steel target then Knowing I'll be paying through the nose is something I have issue with.

The whole ban is nonsense. If they changed it to anything entering the food chain fair enough, ill take that. But a full on ban? Not so much

 

[Utectok]

The issue comes in when you like ringing gongs at range after your morning stalk - certainly for me anyway. I shoot because I enjoy it. Knowing ill potentially be shooting 20-30 rounds, if not more, at a steel target then Knowing I'll be paying through the nose is something I have issue with.

The whole ban is nonsense. If they changed it to anything entering the food chain fair enough, ill take that. But a full on ban? Not so much

I enjoy gonging it to and have been delighted with my copper bullets for that. Not to much more expensive tbf as I used to shoot premium lead which were around £1 each anyway. I have a theory in shooting and fishing…. spend the money on the end that meets the game… leaders hooks flies and bullets. The fish and deer don’t actually know what your holding lol

 

[shakey jake]

F- me it's the other way around in these parts,you pay the farmer to control his vermin.

Do you pay him to do other jobs?

 

[nun_hunter]

Not happy, but I'm not a BASC member anyway. Plus I shall carry on with lead either way, despite what anyone says, for stalking. And I think many others will do as well.

I assume I am misinterpreting your post as it reads like you will continue to use lead bullets for stalking after the ban is in place? Which I am sure isn't the case as a professional stalker and owner of this forum.

 

[enfieldspares]

I assume I am misinterpreting your post as it reads like you will continue to use lead bullets for stalking after the ban is in place? Which I am sure isn't the case as a professional stalker and owner of this forum.

Of course he may own and use a .22-250. And just as folk looked at the law and developed a weapon that was legal after the handgun ban we may, perhaps, see the emergence of cartridges using .230 calibre bullets. There may even be a re-birth of the .22 Savage High Power and eventually some other, but rimless, cartridge using a .228" bullet of heavier than the current 70 grains offering.

 

[Blaser243]

I'm sure many will stock up on plenty of lead bullets (probably to reload themselves to save on storage and avoid FAC limits) but its a stupid thing to do. If the law changes, whatever we think of it, we need to follow it. Failing to do so is in part to blame for why we are where we are.

 

[Utectok]

Looks interesting

 

[Nickb]

Normally around £300+vat a night

No farmer in the North would pay that. There are loads of shooters willing to do it for free.

Good on you if you get that but I take it you are self employed .

I cant understand a farmer paying that for rabbits , better off just letting them eat crops unless you have thousands which I doubt.

How many rabbits do you shoot a year ?

 

[bigtone]

Do you pay him to do other jobs?

Your either full of bull or your a registered pest controller and it's your job.The only reason farmer's ( and other places) pay you for pest control is because they have to ,and need a paper trail for vermin control etc.No farmer pays £300 a night to someone to shoot vermin when there's a que of people who will do it for nothing.

 

[VSS]

Your either full of bull or your a registered pest controller and it's your job.The only reason farmer's ( and other places) pay you for pest control is because they have to ,and need a paper trail for vermin control etc.No farmer pays £300 a night to someone to shoot vermin when there's a que of people who will do it for nothing.

Most farmers would rather pay someone with a good reputation to do a proper reliable job, than get someone in who offers to do it for free.
The ones who offer to do it for free are about as trusted as the guys who turn up offering to tarmac your driveway cheap because they "just happen to have a big left on the waggon from another job, and it would be a shame to waste it, wouldn't it guv'nor?"

(And as a farmer myself, I probably know more farmers than most. In fact, there's not many people I know who aren't farmers).

 

[shakey jake]

No farmer in the North would pay that. There are loads of shooters willing to do it for free.

Good on you if you get that but I take it you are self employed .

I cant understand a farmer paying that for rabbits , better off just letting them eat crops unless you have thousands which I doubt.

How many rabbits do you shoot a year ?

Dont do it much now.
If people want to do it for free fine, spend your time and money.
But moaning it will become too expensive is daft.
If farmers need it done they will pay to have it done.