Register of competent deer stalkers - results?

[Conor O'Gorman]

Fair comment.
Whatever your views on BASC as an organisation, @Conor O'Gorman himself is to be applauded for his engagement with the membership of this site, which is not something I'm seeing from representatives of any other shooting organisation.

Thank you. I think I have explained before that my posting on here is a legacy from a different era when staff and indeed Council members were engaging on myriad forums including SD that pre-dated likes of FB etc. and from an era when behaviour was more respectful and tolerant on social media. I was mentored on forum engagement by 'David BASC' many moons ago, and David recently passed away which was very sad news and he would probably be saying to me at this point to consider calling it a day - life is too short.

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

I will give him his due, he can certainly polish a turd!

For what you’re all forgetting is he is just doing his job, it’s paid lip service, he’s doing what he’s paid to do, nothing more, nothing less!

I am not aware of any turd polishing but will add that to my list of amusing insults received. What I do know is that BASC is our best defence for shooting and deer stalking and if that sounds like a broken record it is because its true.

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

With respect you have no idea what his job description is, and your perpetual nonsense does you no credit.

I have had long and detailed conversations with Conor and he is an extremely intelligent man and well qualified to discuss the subject ... and to say he is just paying lip service to corporate BASC views just shows how little you know.

Nothing would compensate him for the perpetual aggravation and provocation leveled at him on this site and actually am surprised how he puts up with it frankly.

How about you give the BASC bashing a rest as frankly you distract and destroy so many useful threads.

Thank you. I don't know who you are from the username but glad to hear that our conversations have been helpful.

 

[Chris Richardson]

It says a lot? Yes if you are that narrow minded to not understand that not everyone feels that they have to justify there existence to anyone, anyone’s long term membership to any organisation tells you that they are happy and they don’t need to justify it !! and if they where not then they would vote with there wallet, it’s really that simple my friend, if you aren’t happy give it up and move on.

No not really I asked a genuine question “ what do you like about basc ? “ you couldn’t answer , I spoke to a couple of basc members lately who admitted they didn’t like basc just used them for insurance, it reminds me of a discussion I had recently with a guy who’s a big Labour supporter at work “ why do you vote Labour ?” Well I always have , yes but why ? Then the huff , thank you you’ve proved my point entirely sir

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

if you are a member of BASC no doubt he Will talk to you all you want, again that’s what he’s paid to do.

Like I said paid lip service, you pay a BASC membership, therefore he is paid to entertain you and talk about what ever you want to talk about.

Nothing more nothing less

There are far worse BASC bashers than me on this forum just so you know.

I am happy to talk to any SD member on topics of concern and have done so on many occasions. It is a two-way learning process and I value the opportunities as they arise. Not a jab at yourself, but some of the loudest non-members on here never take up my offers of a chat.

 

[bottletopbill]

Being a shooter who as a permission with No deer I think me and many other's are crying out to shoot.
So anything that helps us all in deer stalking gets my

 

[Happy stalker]

No not really I asked a genuine question “ what do you like about basc ? “ you couldn’t answer , I spoke to a couple of basc members lately who admitted they didn’t like basc just used them for insurance, it reminds me of a discussion I had recently with a guy who’s a big Labour supporter at work “ why do you vote Labour ?” Well I always have , yes but why ? Then the huff , thank you you’ve proved my point entirely sir

brilliant, am glad to have satisfied you in your small world, I will sleep better tonight knowing that.

 

[terrier1]

If you left BASC because of the voluntary transition away from lead shot for live quarry shooting that is your choice and I appreciate you are dissapointed with the change in policy but I would disagree with your opinion that BASC is 'killing shooting off'. BASC is protecting and promoting shooting.

How many people do you think are going to finish shooting when lead is banned. Eg guns not proofed for none lead alternatives. And you going on about how steel and any other none lead ammunition are adequate. But top Olympic shooters will not be using it and that answers the question that it is crap. And if its not good enough to shoot a clay pigeon with then it's not good enough to shoot a living bird or animal with end of.

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

I’d imaging he is going far above that. He deserves a medal for putting up with some of the abuse on here.

To be fair the personal abuse has not been prevalent (yet) in this thread (and I know that is not what you mean but others might) but there has been no shortage of such abuse in many others.

 

[enfieldspares]

What is abundantly clear is that BASC lives rent-free in some SD members heads!

Bloody crowded then it'll be. BASC, Packham and "Rachel from Accounts".

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

It’s not abuse it’s stalkers who have the hump about sailing up a deep river with the plug being taken out of the boat and they want their questions and grievances answered.

As he is the BASC representative the buck stops with him, like I said that’s what he’s paid to do, if he’s not being paid then I would advise not to bother

Your comments of late make me wonder if you understand how membership organisations operate and for BASC and my part in that would you be interested in a chat about the ins and outs of this, not least your comments about running for Council etc?

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

oh i dont think its free theyve cost us all quite a lot , just some people cant see it

That does not make any sense. Perhaps you could evidence that in the context of the BASC deer stalking register that is (was) the focus of this thread for starters? How has the BASC register 'cost you quite a lot'?

 

[Chris Richardson]

That does not make any sense. Perhaps you could evidence that in the context of the BASC deer stalking register that is (was) the focus of this thread for starters? How has the BASC register 'cost you quite a lot'?

I’m not talking about the register Connor I’m talking about all the “ welcoming “ by basc

 

[Chris Richardson]

Your comments of late make me wonder if you understand how membership organisations operate and for BASC and my part in that would you be interested in a chat about the ins and outs of this, not least your comments about running for Council etc?

I think he does you claim basc is run democratically but clearly it is not

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

What was voluntary about it ? no members volunteered for it , they had it forced upon them by their respective orgs , so hardly voluntary is it ..............

That is a ridiculous argument. Of course it was voluntary. Has anyone forced you to stop using lead shot for live quarry shooting in the UK since February 2020?

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

Your comments of late make me wonder if you understand how membership organisations operate and for BASC and my part in that would you be interested in a chat about the ins and outs of this, not least your comments about running for Council etc?

I have thought about it and I am still thinking about it, but first i need to talk to some people I can trust to see if it’s viable

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

What I see is that:

• Most members have no experience of running a membership organisation, but feel entitled to pontificate on how they should be run
• Most members don't support their local branches or branch events
• Most members don't volunteer to stand for election
• Most members don't volunteer to help
• Most members don't bother to vote
• Most members don't really care about anything other than getting the cheapest insurance
• Most members will jump ship to another organisation at the drop of the hat, but don't hold those other organisations to anything like the same standard
• Most members expect an organisation that campaigns like the NRA in the USA, but aren't willing to put their hands in their pockets to fund it

Shooters and stalkers in the UK get exactly the organisations they deserve.

Well said, and that reflects what I have seen for 30 years, whether for organisations or clubs and not just shooting. What is evident on this forum is your penultimate bullet point - jumping ship from another organisation and then not holding the newly chosen one to the same standard - it amazes me the energy and passion that goes into BASC bashing by those long having left BASC but not a word about their new organisations. I think it's a combination of insecurity, immaturity and human nature.

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

I agree with some of the points raised , what concerns me is the BASC claims to be democratic yet no votes on lead and the minutes on lead are confidential for the record I didn’t choose my chosen org for insurance ( I have that separately) I chose them for their stance on the lead issue hence why I left basc

Why does BASC governance concern you, when you are a SGA member - could you perhaps explain to us the SGA governance structure? Does the SGA have an elected Council?

 

[Chris Richardson]

That is a ridiculous argument. Of course it was voluntary. Has anyone forced you to stop using lead shot for live quarry shooting in the UK since February 2020?

Volunteering your membership without a vote is not voluntary hence why I left

 

[Chris Richardson]

Well said, and that reflects what I have seen for 30 years, whether for organisations or clubs and not just shooting. What is evident on this forum is your penultimate bullet point - jumping ship from another organisation and then not holding the newly chosen one to the same standard - it amazes me the energy and passion that goes into BASC bashing by those long having left BASC but not a word about their new organisations. I think it's a combination of insecurity, immaturity and human nature.

Oooh the petulant insults have started I know it wouldn’t take long you can’t claim to be the so called “ voice of shooting “ yet not be able to handle criticism for obvious failures Connor