How many times Conor. Its BASC that's cocked up. You are certainly NOT the best defence for anything shooting related.
The words "voluntary ban" springs to mind....
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The words "voluntary ban" springs to mind....
palmer_mike
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I’m sure we will soon be reminded that BASC has been consistent in opposing a ban on the use of lead based ammunition.
It is a simple fact though that when one offers something voluntarily it often becomes MANDATORY.
Therefore it was easily predicted (by me and many many others) that the voluntary transition away from lead would soon lead to a legal ban on its use.
This has come to pass and by all indications will soon be imposed.
It is a simple fact though that when one offers something voluntarily it often becomes MANDATORY.
Therefore it was easily predicted (by me and many many others) that the voluntary transition away from lead would soon lead to a legal ban on its use.
This has come to pass and by all indications will soon be imposed.
Norfolk Deer Search
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If he couldn’t get onto the committee, I’ve got no hope, I am too blunt to the point and no shade of grey. It’s black or white and I’m afraid I’ll offend people from the word go.! Not that bothers me because it doesn’t!
I would rock the Apple car, no stand corrected. I wouldn’t rock the Apple car. I would cut the Apple tree down.
bottletopbill
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Every committee should have a rough diamond in it .
I have been that in fostering children and in my local gun club.
At least give it a try to change things.
Conor needs help
I have been that in fostering children and in my local gun club.
At least give it a try to change things.
Conor needs help
Norfolk Deer Search
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No I’m afraid you’re incorrect. Connor doesn’t need help because he toes the line, I don’t toe the line for anybody. I am of the opinion after speaking to one or two people who I trust implicitly who have been connected in the past that I have zero hope of gaining any place on that committee.Every committee should have a rough diamond in it .
I have been that in fostering children and in my local gun club.
At least give it a try to change things.
Conor needs help
They simply wouldn’t tolerate me so therefore it’s a pointless exercise
But then i do know a few things about a few , and clear reasons why i left BASC after maybe 35 years plus at a guess ?
Personal experience.of BASC lies ...take your money then do sum of sweet f*ck all when you turn to them for advice or / help ....
That episode was rectified fully and with zero help from them at all ....
Will never give a penny again
SGA are truthful on phone, actually help and don't throw their members under a bus without consultation
And I see them far more in public eye , online doing more for the working man / shooter
Paul
That episode was rectified fully and with zero help from them at all ....
Will never give a penny again
SGA are truthful on phone, actually help and don't throw their members under a bus without consultation
And I see them far more in public eye , online doing more for the working man / shooter
Paul
Absolutely , Links between are of course tight bit like a poor mans mafia .
Norfolk Deer Search
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The DI is still active that is fact but under different disguises
If you wish to change BASC, then shouting from outside is not going to work. The first thing should be to join, then to get yourself known via both traditional and social media, ready for Council elections next spring. You could also put forward one or two radical proposals to the 2026 AGM which could be used to promote you and your ideas to potential supporters.
Having got elected (might not happen the at the first attempt), you then need to convince fellow Council members of your ideas for change. They are there because they too care about shooting so they should listen. "Letting rip" etc. only works once as you need to do something once you have attracted everybody's attention.
The route to change probably still includes gaining a position on the Executive and Finance Committee of Council.
I was fortunate as a teenager to see a little of some of the men who served on the old WAGBI management committee such as John Carter and Bill Bailey. They had fought in the real war and then in the lesser war over the 1954 bird protection act. They cared. Do I think that the later generations care any less ? Of course not, and I have known a few Council members over the years including one (the late Bill Notton) who resigned in frustration. I even helped some of them get elected but that is history.
If you want change then it is up to you to make the case. This can be challenging as in my experience people in general do not like radical change.
I well remember Kes/Triton who was forever on here shouting from the touchline but would not even try to get on the pitch as "they" would send him off.
But I also remember the late and great Colin Greenwood whose persistence caused the creation of the BASC Firearms Department which is one of its more useful features.
However, if you don't like BASC and are not a member then that's fine. But we heard you the first time.
Having got elected (might not happen the at the first attempt), you then need to convince fellow Council members of your ideas for change. They are there because they too care about shooting so they should listen. "Letting rip" etc. only works once as you need to do something once you have attracted everybody's attention.
The route to change probably still includes gaining a position on the Executive and Finance Committee of Council.
I was fortunate as a teenager to see a little of some of the men who served on the old WAGBI management committee such as John Carter and Bill Bailey. They had fought in the real war and then in the lesser war over the 1954 bird protection act. They cared. Do I think that the later generations care any less ? Of course not, and I have known a few Council members over the years including one (the late Bill Notton) who resigned in frustration. I even helped some of them get elected but that is history.
If you want change then it is up to you to make the case. This can be challenging as in my experience people in general do not like radical change.
I well remember Kes/Triton who was forever on here shouting from the touchline but would not even try to get on the pitch as "they" would send him off.
But I also remember the late and great Colin Greenwood whose persistence caused the creation of the BASC Firearms Department which is one of its more useful features.
However, if you don't like BASC and are not a member then that's fine. But we heard you the first time.
People start at the wrong end of the ladder they hop on half way up and forget you need to start at the bottom.
Kes was backed by Carl W but fell badly at the first fence with a post about shooting 120 pigeons in standing wheat only with little or no effort to recover any chipped ones. That post never helped out on his CV .
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Ok I’ll ask what is it you like about BASC now ? Not in the old days of wagbi which I agree there WERE a good organisation, what do you like about basc and their policies and the way they work now ?
Ok sir for what it’s worth I wasn’t after an argument it was a genuine question which people don’t seem to want to answer
, have a good day
Norfolk Deer Search
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Kes wanted unrealistic guarantees from BASC before he would put himself forward, I'm sure he posted as much on here.
terrier1
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Absolutely correct yet not a lot of people have noticed this surprisingly blinkered like a horse.
They will only take notice when they can no longer use the ammunition they have been using for a lifetime and are having to buy the expensive crap that they're wanting us to use which is not fit for purpose.
8x57
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Yes I'm aware that it's still active but not active in the same way as it was.
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