Register of competent deer stalkers - results?

[Chris Richardson]

To be fair, if the whole membership were to be consulted every time a decision was required, nothing would ever get done. That is why you have a council elected by the membership, to make decisions on their behalf.
I am in involved with a number of organisations, and over the years there have been occasions when an issue was deemed to be of such significance that the whole membership were written to and invited to vote on the matter. It was an administrative nightmare!

Ah but Tim this wasn’t a small decision was it ?

 

[Chris Richardson]

Your good self or another BASC member are best asking directly via the contact form as advised or if someone emails me at conor.ogorman@basc.org.uk I can forward that to the Council sectretariat.

More deflection and refusal to answer questions

 

[palmer_mike]

Maybe if BASC didn't cock up in the first place and then LIE about it, there wouldn't be much of an issue? I'll say it again, I was never asked if I wanted a voluntary ban. And I was a member at the time!

Neither were the ammunition manufacturers asked about it in advance of the announcement of the transition away from lead

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

Maybe if BASC didn't cock up in the first place and then LIE about it, there wouldn't be much of an issue? I'll say it again, I was never asked if I wanted a voluntary ban. And I was a member at the time!

I think you are confusing yourself by conflating the words 'ban' and 'voluntary' by stating 'voluntary ban'. I will ask you the same question again that both yourself and @Chris Richardson has so far been unable to answer....has anyone forced you to stop using lead shot for live quarry shooting since February 2020?

 

[Chris Richardson]

I think you are confusing yourself by conflating the words 'ban' and 'voluntary' by stating 'voluntary ban'. I will ask you the same question again that both yourself and @Chris Richardson has so far been unable to answer....has anyone forced you to stop using lead shot for live quarry shooting since February 2020?

I’ll answer that question when you answer why the minutes were confidential? How’s that sound for a deal ?

 

[VSS]

Ah but Tim this wasn’t a small decision was it ?

Well if it's that important, the membership of an organisation is quite capable of overturning a decision made by council. I've seen it happen. It's messy, but it can be done.
But it would take action on the part of a significant proportion of the membership to achieve it.
I notice that many of the complainants venting their spleens on here are not BASC members, so that idea is a non starter.

 

[Chris Richardson]

Well if it's that important, the membership of an organisation is quite capable of overturning a decision made by council. I've seen it happen. It's messy, but it can be done.
But it would take action on the part of a significant proportion of the membership to achieve it.
I notice that many of the complainants venting their spleens on here are not BASC members, so that idea is a non starter.

Basc doesn’t run like that and you know it

 

[hendrix's rifle]

I think you are confusing yourself by conflating the words 'ban' and 'voluntary' by stating 'voluntary ban'. I will ask you the same question again that both yourself and @Chris Richardson has so far been unable to answer....has anyone forced you to stop using lead shot for live quarry shooting since February 2020?

I answered in one of my prior comments if you weren't so ignorant

 

[VSS]

Basc doesn’t run like that and you know it

Regardless of the way BASC is run, there is nothing stopping the membership overruling a council decision. It would have to be done properly, but it could be done.
If members felt strongly enough that it was worth doing.

 

[shortshot]

I am not aware of any government schemes involved. Perhaps you could explain where you got that idea from?

I rejoined BASC after reading about this register which I was lead to believe was a joint venture involving FE,NE,Defra to provide a list of dsc2 willing stalkers to be matched/available to put manpower to address nationwide deer culling. Grant and subsidy driven forestry and environmental schemes conditionally requiring plant protection of a certain standard.
Rolling out any BASC stalker scheme successes on a much wider scale??
So what is it about in reality just a BASC membership bonus for new guys to believe they can more easily locate a training mentor?

 

[Spear Chucker]

Committees generally operate to a majority view and agree consensus. 4 months is a very short time to expect to influence the views of 9 others on a committee of 10. Did you resign after 4 months?

Far better when you control the consensus eh Conor? I mean...Democracy sucks...who do these twits think they are...do they really think they have a right to direct policy? "Mummy knows best, now swallow"

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

I'd agree with that except the part where Conor has said time and time again, its members wanted it. Ive got no argument with you Tim and that's where I will leave it. I have no real issue with Conor, ultimately he's doing what he seems best for him employer however the whole lying/deception gripes me

There was and is no lying or deception. The voluntary transition announcement was published by nine organisations for all to see. You don't agree with it? Fair enough. Nobody forced you to do anything.

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

Neither were the ammunition manufacturers asked about it in advance of the announcement of the transition away from lead

They were consulted in advance.

 

[Rusty Gate]

What was the purpose of the register?

Sounds a lot like Ring fencing £££, when there are open public sites already available for years. If I could remember the name of one

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

I rejoined BASC after reading about this register which I was lead to believe was a joint venture involving FE,NE,Defra to provide a list of dsc2 willing stalkers to be matched/available to put manpower to address nationwide deer culling. Grant and subsidy driven forestry and environmental schemes conditionally requiring plant protection of a certain standard.
Rolling out any BASC stalker scheme successes on a much wider scale??
So what is it about in reality just a BASC membership bonus for new guys to believe they can more easily locate a training mentor?

As per webpage below the aim of the register is to connect experienced deer stalkers holding BASC membership with landowners, government agencies or institutional bodies looking for individuals to carry out deer management on their land.

Register of competent deer stalkers

The BASC register of competent deer stalkers is an initiative which seeks to open up deer management opportunities for BASC members.

basc.org.uk

The current BASC stalker schemes are here:

Stalking schemes

BASC currently has three deer stalking schemes – Bowland in Lancashire, Baronscourt (Northern Ireland) and East of England (near Newmarket).

basc.org.uk

The mentoring aspect is explained here:

With a little help…

An experienced mentor can help novice stalkers progress after their DSC1 course and finding the right person is something BASC can help with.

basc.org.uk

Stand by me

What should a deer stalking mentor provide? For many people access to suitable ground is the hardest thing to get.

basc.org.uk

 

[shortshot]

As per webpage below the aim of the register is to connect experienced deer stalkers holding BASC membership with landowners, government agencies or institutional bodies looking for individuals to carry out deer management on their land.

Register of competent deer stalkers

The BASC register of competent deer stalkers is an initiative which seeks to open up deer management opportunities for BASC members.

basc.org.uk

The current BASC stalker schemes are here:

Stalking schemes

BASC currently has three deer stalking schemes – Bowland in Lancashire, Baronscourt (Northern Ireland) and East of England (near Newmarket).

basc.org.uk

The mentoring aspect is explained here:

With a little help…

An experienced mentor can help novice stalkers progress after their DSC1 course and finding the right person is something BASC can help with.

basc.org.uk

Stand by me

What should a deer stalking mentor provide? For many people access to suitable ground is the hardest thing to get.

basc.org.uk

But it appears from this thread and my personal experience to be totally ineffective in its stated aim.
Stalkers have registered but the government agencies and institutional bodies seem not interested and BASC just misuses it to recruit using as a unique list of mentors it’s holding.

 

[palmer_mike]

You will remember we had this discussion before. They were not consulted and there was a publicly published letter from the main cartridge manufacturers in this country that stated as such.
In fact, at the time I worked for a cartridge and ammunition manufacturer and so have knowledge of what was and was not discussed.

Your continued assertion of the opposite is simply not representative of the truth

Edit (link to statement)

https://www.gunsonpegs.com/articles/shooting-talk/s/shooting-news/cartridge-companies-respond-to-the-proposed-phase-out-of-lead-shot#:~:text=At%20last%20a%20common%20sense,that%20our%20sport%20would%20end.

 

[bottletopbill]

As for mentoring SD as been great in helping me deer stalk.

PS the members will always help other's

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

As for mentoring SD as been great in helping me deer stalk.

PS the members will always help other's

Always is a big word you shouldn’t count on

 

[bottletopbill]

Now corrected