Register of competent deer stalkers - results?

[Conor O'Gorman]

Yes I have but unfortunately they were bent as a 9 bob note and didn’t want to improve things

How did you improve things as a committee member?

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

Ok, so why not phrase those criticisms in a way that the the representative can take them back to the organisation that he represents, and hopefully come back to us with some answers?

I'll give it a try:

@Conor O'Gorman, can you please find out for us why it is that the minutes of some committee meetings relating to BASC's stance on lead ammunition have been deemed confidential, and are therefore unavailable to members?
Thank you.

If you look through the minutes many items are marked confidential which means that BASC Council does not want those details in the public domain.

Council minutes

Archive of minutes taken during the BASC council meetings.

basc.org.uk

If you disagree with this approach perhaps contact your Council (elected by BASC members) and raise your concerns. Use the following contact form and choose 'BASC Council' from the drop down menu.

Contact Us

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[Conor O'Gorman]

I did on a previous thread , funnily enough it was ignored, so you really think they’ll tell you why they were confidential? ( we all know why by the way ) I’m afraid the time for please and thank you’s is over in this case as I said previously there is no defence for him or the organisation he is paid by

No, it was not ignored. Yet again you choose to use this forum to misinform fellow SD members. Please don't take us for fools.

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

How did you improve things as a committee member?

To be honest it was 9 against 1 they were set In their ways didn’t want to change, I battled for 4 months and then and swore blind I would never do it again.

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

Why? I take people out on a regular basis, they range from, not done any shooting before to, just need to build up experience. I generally don’t get paid, although, I do now ask for a few pound just to cover my diesel.

So does it matter if they contact me through here? Or am I just lining Malc’s pockets with additional membership here, or if BASC were to put someone through to me.
And someone else said BASC were not the first to do this, so, why not give whoever came up with the bright idea some stick?

And again, oh course it is about membership, EVERY organisation, looks at membership, no members, no organisation. They look at benefits they can offer. I have loads of things I can get discount through work. Damn them to bell for trying to find things that retain staff.

FFS, I was in a motorcycle club and I went around and got us discount at certain motorcycle shops and even cheaper breakdown cover. FOR THE MEMBERS… WHY THE FXXX WOULD I OFFER IT TO NON MEMBERS?

And for the record, I am not signed up to this register. I don’t need the land and I don’t need any other shooters to train.
And this rain better P155 off before this evening or tonight I will practicing to be a competent cider drinker. Again. I am still not very good at it after all these years.

Well said.

 

[VSS]

If you look through the minutes many items are marked confidential which means that BASC Council does not want those details in the public domain.

I'm aware of that. Perfectly normal council procedure when sensitive subjects are being discussed.
My question was simply this: Why was the subject of lead ammunition deemed to be so sensitive that the general membership should not have access to the minutes? It doesn't sound like a very sensitive subject, so the suspicion is that some individual members of council (or even the whole council) hold views that would be unacceptable to some sectors of the membership if generally known. It would be nice to be able to dispel that suspicion.
I'm not asking for those minutes, just the reasons why, and wondered if perhaps you'd be able to find out?

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

To be honest it was 9 against 1 they were set In their ways didn’t want to change, I battled for 4 months and then and swore blind I would never do it again.

Committees generally operate to a majority view and agree consensus. 4 months is a very short time to expect to influence the views of 9 others on a committee of 10. Did you resign after 4 months?

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

Committees generally operate to a majority view and agree consensus. 4 months is a very short time to expect to influence the views of 9 others on a committee of 10. Did you resign after 4 months?

Yep I had better things to do rather than waste my time on something that was never going to change.

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

I'm aware of that. Perfectly normal council procedure when sensitive subjects are being discussed.
My question was simply this: Why was the subject of lead ammunition deemed to be so sensitive that the general membership should not have access to the minutes?
I'm not asking for those minutes, just the reasons why, and wondered if perhaps you'd be able to find out?

I don't know the reasons why as I don't have access to the minutes, and if I did, I would not be breaching confidentiality commenting on the reasoning etct on a public forum. Surely you must understand that. Best if yourself or another BASC member take my advice and make the enquiry directly.

 

[Spear Chucker]

You may well be right, but what you're failing to see is that the tone and content of these discussions, while doing BASC no favours, is doing us no favours either.
I read posts on these threads that make people who I've previously thought of as moderately decent and intelligent sound like blathering loonies, repeating the same old stuff over and over again, ad nauseum.
The points they're trying to raise may well be valid, but the method of delivery destroys credibility.
By all means say it as it is (or as you think it is), be blunt as you like, but in a way that engenders respect. I think answers would be much more likely then.

My apologies in advance for the following; With respect, and this is a moderately serious question: how much lying, bullying and overbearing pomposity are we expected to patiently endure from the Wrexham branch of Friends of the Earth, before we are allowed to repel boarders?
In behaving as their rep /AI chat bot /John Swift cardboard-cut-out does, they show us no respect. In fact I feel that they are actually grossly insulting our intelligence. Writing off our justified and accurate counter arguments as antediluvial rants of red trousered recidivists is deeply offensive and clearly illustrates the disconnected arrogance with which these occupiers of ivory towers (it ain't ivory actually, it is lead oxide...thus explaining the collective lunacy emanating from this Babel like edifice of intellectual ordure) treat us.
I am all for reasoned and respectful debate. While I laud your sentiments, if we do not hold such people to account with vigour, we become enablers. They have betrayed us.

 

[VSS]

I don't know the reasons why as I don't have access to the minutes, and if I did, I would not be breaching confidentiality commenting on the reasoning etct on a public forum. Surely you must understand that. Best if yourself or another BASC member take my advice and make the enquiry directly.

I understand that you wouldn't be able to share anything that was minuted in confidence, even if you did have access to the minutes. I wouldn't expect you to. I believe you are a man of integrity.
But all I'm asking is  why was it deemed to be cconfidential?
On our behalf, you could perhaps just ask whoever chaired the meeting and made that decision?

 

[Chris Richardson]

I understand that you wouldn't be able to share anything that was minuted in confidence, even if you did have access to the minutes. I wouldn't expect you to. I believe you are a man of integrity.
But all I'm asking is  why was it deemed to be cconfidential?
On our behalf, you could perhaps just ask whoever chaired the meeting and made that decision?

Ah Tim I admire your optimism and faith in human nature but you’ll get honesty from this lot , just deflecting and smokescreens

 

[Chris Richardson]

Rejoining BASC would be the logical approach given that BASC is working hardest to protect and promote shooting which is self-evident if you visit the BASC website and/or sign up to our weekly newsletter.

Why would it be logical? The deflection and smokescreens is unreal why on earth would I want to pay the wages of such folk ?

 

[Chris Richardson]

No, it was not ignored. Yet again you choose to use this forum to misinform fellow SD members. Please don't take us for fools.

Oh I do take the majority of basc members for fools Connor make no doubt about that

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

I understand that you wouldn't be able to share anything that was minuted in confidence, even if you did have access to the minutes. I wouldn't expect you to. I believe you are a man of integrity.
But all I'm asking is  why was it deemed to be cconfidential?
On our behalf, you could perhaps just ask whoever chaired the meeting and made that decision?

Your good self or another BASC member are best asking directly via the contact form as advised or if someone emails me at conor.ogorman@basc.org.uk I can forward that to the Council sectretariat.

 

[hendrix's rifle]

That's not true and your rants and misinformation are unhelpful. Perhaps be factual in your comment from now on.

I'm very factual, just unfortunate once again you fail to realise, perhaps because of those rose tinted spec you appear to wear 24/7

 

[hendrix's rifle]

Rejoining BASC would be the logical approach given that BASC is working hardest to protect and promote shooting which is self-evident if you visit the BASC website and/or sign up to our weekly newsletter.

Maybe if BASC didn't cock up in the first place and then LIE about it, there wouldn't be much of an issue? I'll say it again, I was never asked if I wanted a voluntary ban. And I was a member at the time!

 

[hendrix's rifle]

If you look through the minutes many items are marked confidential which means that BASC Council does not want those details in the public domain.

Council minutes

Archive of minutes taken during the BASC council meetings.

basc.org.uk

If you disagree with this approach perhaps contact your Council (elected by BASC members) and raise your concerns. Use the following contact form and choose 'BASC Council' from the drop down menu.

Contact Us

If you need information that cannot be found in our advice hub, you can get in touch by phone or by filling in an online form.

basc.org.uk

And there's a reason you dont want those in the public domain! Maybe because the rest of the shooting community would be able to see the damage you've caused.

 

[VSS]

Maybe if BASC didn't cock up in the first place and then LIE about it, there wouldn't be much of an issue? I'll say it again, I was never asked if I wanted a voluntary ban. And I was a member at the time!

To be fair, if the whole membership were to be consulted every time a decision was required, nothing would ever get done. That is why you have a council elected by the membership, to make decisions on their behalf.
I am in involved with a number of organisations, and over the years there have been occasions when an issue was deemed to be of such significance that the whole membership were written to and invited to vote on the matter. It was an administrative nightmare!

 

[hendrix's rifle]

To be fair, if the whole membership were to be consulted every time a decision was required, nothing would ever get done. That is why you have a council elected by the membership, to make decisions on their behalf.
I am in involved with a number of organisations, and over the years there have been occasions when an issue was deemed to be of such significance that the whole membership were written to and invited to vote on the matter. It was a administrative nightmare!

I'd agree with that except the part where Conor has said time and time again, its members wanted it. Ive got no argument with you Tim and that's where I will leave it. I have no real issue with Conor, ultimately he's doing what he seems best for him employer however the whole lying/deception gripes me