I think the poster was asking stuff about subsonics along the lines of
“Can I just use less powder”
Can you share homeloads or do you need to be a RFD?
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“Can I just use less powder”
Ah, ok. Thanks
It has always been legal, lawful, for a private individual to sell loaded ammunition to a third party (be that another private individual or a person registered to deal in firearms and ammunition) as long as that third party possesses the required "authority to acquire and possess".
The SD Classifieds is well populated with adverts for surplus .270 WCF or 20 bore this or 12 bore that. Either being sold or in some cases given away. The law in respect of that kind of transaction makes no difference between "factory" loaded or "handloaded" ammunition...and indeed that is why if you are handloading for another you (even if giving them the finished cartridges) you MUST enter that ammunition on their FAC.
So the moot question is what does the law (as far as the Firearms Act is concerned) have to say? The words are "by way of trade or business". So just as my selling a redundant to me 12 bore side by side on SD is not "by way of trade or business" then neither. IMHO, would be loading and selling a few rounds of ammunition...even one hundred rounds...to a friend or acquaintance on a "one off" basis even if for money or other reward.
So as far as the Firearms Act runs I don't think there is anything there to give us guidance other than as above.
But...
Therefore the only concern would be what do the CIP Rules says on manufacture and sale of ammunition? Be that a large factory or a bespoke "custom" loader of the "man in a shed" type operation? Do they see a difference in what is required? And for that my advice is contact one of the two UK Proof Houses (or the CIP itself) and ask.
The SD Classifieds is well populated with adverts for surplus .270 WCF or 20 bore this or 12 bore that. Either being sold or in some cases given away. The law in respect of that kind of transaction makes no difference between "factory" loaded or "handloaded" ammunition...and indeed that is why if you are handloading for another you (even if giving them the finished cartridges) you MUST enter that ammunition on their FAC.
So the moot question is what does the law (as far as the Firearms Act is concerned) have to say? The words are "by way of trade or business". So just as my selling a redundant to me 12 bore side by side on SD is not "by way of trade or business" then neither. IMHO, would be loading and selling a few rounds of ammunition...even one hundred rounds...to a friend or acquaintance on a "one off" basis even if for money or other reward.
So as far as the Firearms Act runs I don't think there is anything there to give us guidance other than as above.
But...
Therefore the only concern would be what do the CIP Rules says on manufacture and sale of ammunition? Be that a large factory or a bespoke "custom" loader of the "man in a shed" type operation? Do they see a difference in what is required? And for that my advice is contact one of the two UK Proof Houses (or the CIP itself) and ask.
Heym SR20
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This covered in Section 3 of the Firearms Act
Firearms Act 1968
An Act to consolidate the Firearms Acts 1937 and 1965, the Air Guns and Shot Guns, etc. , Act 1962, Part V of the Criminal Justice Act 1967 and certain enactments amending the Firearms Act 1937.
Under the Proof Act of 18 something or other the London and Birmingham Proof Houses have the ability to lay down the regulations under law.
Section V1 starting at 3.1 lays out the requirements for ammunition. If you producing and selling cartridges commercially they need to be proof tested, and reproofing is required if there are changes to the components or method of manufacture. With large volumes, retesting is required from time to time.
So how does this affect the home loader loading some ammo for a friend? General rule is don’t use home-loaded ammo. Indeed don’t use factory ammo that is not from a sealed box.
I certainly wouldn’t be doing it commercially for anyone, nor taking payment. But if friend wants to come round and reload a couple of boxes of ammo using his components under my supervision then not a problem.
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This covered in Section 3 of the Firearms Act
Firearms Act 1968
An Act to consolidate the Firearms Acts 1937 and 1965, the Air Guns and Shot Guns, etc. , Act 1962, Part V of the Criminal Justice Act 1967 and certain enactments amending the Firearms Act 1937.www.legislation.gov.uk
Under the Proof Act of 18 something or other the London and Birmingham Proof Houses have the ability to lay down the regulations under law.
Section V1 starting at 3.1 lays out the requirements for ammunition. If you producing and selling cartridges commercially they need to be proof tested, and reproofing is required if there are changes to the components or method of manufacture. With large volumes, retesting is required from time to time.
So how does this affect the home loader loading some ammo for a friend? General rule is don’t use home-loaded ammo. Indeed don’t use factory ammo that is not from a sealed box.
I certainly wouldn’t be doing it commercially for anyone, nor taking payment. But if friend wants to come round and reload a couple of boxes of ammo using his components under my supervision then not a problem.
This from the proof house back in 2023
You may be surprised to hear, he was in his pyjamas while he did it and hie elderly mother was sat in the other room getting quite upset
Bloody hell. That actually rings a faint bell with me, now I think on it. Off to have a search
markyw
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That's why I walked through it's sources first before posting. Most of the summary comes from the Government website. The first searches I did pulled up a lot of very American information and the sources there were dubious.
Regards
Mark
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