Never said he was innocent, perhaps we should bring back the dousing chair, if he drowns he is innocent, if he lives obviously guilty, sounds like the modern media to me.
And that's that. Or is it...?
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Bo Diddley
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Yep, the old duke was a foul-mouthed entitled Wan ker. Sticking fu cks and threats into folks just for trying to finish a job on time, so the company didn't fall foul of late penalty payments.
Bo Diddley
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Not my style. The company concerned is still going strong. I guess they know a stupid, entitled fool when they see one. The game is a long one
How many trials in the US are fair? If someone takes a dislike to you, the government goes venue shopping to put you before the hardest judge, fills the jury with ex-FBI, CIA and prison workers, and has a 98.5% conviction rate due to it being better to take a plea deals than risk absurdly long penalties.
What is not fair is trial by media, when in Mr Windor's case, there is not even a crime that is claimed to have been committed. A bit like being stopped by the police in the USA, you are clean, so they search for anything to justify the stop: we have a a guilty person, so we have to find a crime that he did. So far, no actual crime has been identified.
Though he is by all reports pompous, and that tends to end up with brutal lesson in humility at some point, what we are seeing is mass hypocrisy: we like in a country where serious crime is rife, morals are in the gutter, people are shagging same sex and have married flings, yet Mr Windsor is asserted to have a one night stand at a time when he was single (divorced), a fling which he refutes, with someone who seems happy to have the encounter, a pro, who is a proven serial liar, and gets absolutely destroyed for it. The hypocrisy of his accusers makes my skin crawl.
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Bo Diddley
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I thought this has all been dragging on because VG was 17 years old and underage to have consensual sex in one of the three places Andy allegedly pummelled into her
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Where? The only one I am aware of, for which that is anything in the public domain that is close to being evidence is a meeting in London, and even that is a photo with no negative, where the other person alive in that photo says it is fake, and even if it is not fake, it involves nothing illegal.I thought this has all been dragging on because VG was 17 years old and underage to have consensual sex in one of the three places Andy allegedly pummelled into her
VG went after another businessman to get a huge payment, claimed she have had relations with him on 3 dates, when he proved in court beyond all possible doubt that he was in another country on all three occasions. She was thereby proven to be calculating liar, a pro so used to the game, apparently happy at her game, trafficker on her own account. She got £12mn out of her blackmailing.
I do understand VG was abused by her family when young, but as adults we are responsible for our own lives and actions regardless of our pasts. That family who did the abuse, are now the people trying to cash in, which is sickening.
Mr Windsor was arrogant and a berk for continuing to interact with Mr Epstein after he had been convicted, but from what has been published, the then Prince was up to his neck in debt, heavily over-extended, and Mr Epstein was a prime source of funds for him and for his ex-wife. His ex-wife tried to cover that up. If that is what he has lost everything for, then I agree with WW, there for the grace of God go I: thankfully I have not been offered a pile of funds when hard up by an Epstein character, and am a nobody rather than a prince.
Bo Diddley
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I thought the underage sex part of the story was linked to America, I could be wrong.
Still, it's a bit unsavoury to be allegedly sleeping with girls as young as one's daughters.
Funny old world when a young girl can blackmail a very wealthy, influential family for several million pounds... You would have thought they would have said, "Let's meet in court" that's usually what happens with these cases.
I expect time will reveal a few more facts.
Still, it's a bit unsavoury to be allegedly sleeping with girls as young as one's daughters.
Funny old world when a young girl can blackmail a very wealthy, influential family for several million pounds... You would have thought they would have said, "Let's meet in court" that's usually what happens with these cases.
I expect time will reveal a few more facts.
kieran222
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There are plenty of Americans caught up in this scandal including Donald Trump. Why don't they start with their own? Not saying that Andrew is innocent or anything but he is being singled out, it's all about news and the media. If I were him I wouldn't be going to the US until they had dealt with all of the Americans first.
Bavarianbrit
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Did he sleep?
Bo Diddley
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What do you think
.Andrew is a prize scalp for the media to take. They love it when they can topple the high & mighty from the proverbial Ivory Tower. They must have much $hite on him that they could never print. The fact that he has hung himself by not moderating his exposure to the public must bring Fleet Street much joy.
What do you think
Andrew is a prize scalp for the media to take. They love it when they can topple the high & mighty from the proverbial Ivory Tower. They must have much $hite on him that they could never print. The fact that he has hung himself by not moderating his exposure to the public must bring Fleet Street much joy.
What evidence is there that he has done anything illegal, or even wrong for that matter?
I also struggle with the whole Epstein thing, that man could afford to procure / keep a harem of young females to pander to his sexual whims, all of whom at the time were in all likelihood very willing participants and no doubt very well rewarded. So what, lucky him…..doesn’t seem exactly to be crime of the century.
Bo Diddley
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Epstein was a control freak by all accounts.
I only know what I know from reading detailed accounts in the Sunday Sport and Daily Mail, and I also follow several YouTube conspirators.
If everyone concerned is innocent, why would Randy Andy dole out several million dollars to VG?
Why would Epstein end up dead within a short time of being incarcerated?
Some rich men indulge themselves in fornicating with hookers & prostitutes, others may like the thought of slightly more innocent ladies, less miles on the old clock
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