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Alas, in this day and age that's not true. The piece of paper allows you to take the carcass to an AGHE....so it does mean something.
I'm not saying that I agree with qualifications for qualifications sake and ultimately all qualifications are developed as money making schemes from the outset (simple business). 30 years of experience behind the trigger will trump any piece of paper...but agree or disagree this is the way society is going.
Nickb
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I know you need a ticket these days to fart.
You will learn something on courses I agree but you will never replace experience in the field.
I have Level 1 & 2 but are no use to me as I dont use AGHE .
I just shoot them and worry about it later , gave away a few carcasses at the weekend.
Norfolk Horn
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When I managed building site the company I worked for only accepted cards from certain training authorities so a lot of cards weren't valid which caused problems
To put this into context Breheny who are a large civil company at the time did all in house training so when they became our subcontractors I had to get clearance to except there certification otherwise I couldn't allow a company of that size to operate on our site.
You can imagine in the future people applying to cull for large organisations and the qualifications they hold are not recognised
There will be some unhappy guys and gals after spending good money on what turns out a worthless qualifications in this situation.
To put this into context Breheny who are a large civil company at the time did all in house training so when they became our subcontractors I had to get clearance to except there certification otherwise I couldn't allow a company of that size to operate on our site.
You can imagine in the future people applying to cull for large organisations and the qualifications they hold are not recognised
There will be some unhappy guys and gals after spending good money on what turns out a worthless qualifications in this situation.
The whole situation is a real pain in the backside. One of my mates has shot 1,000s of deer and has been shooting for 50+ years, is a bloody good shot and could shoot a hell of a lot more deer if he could get rid..the issue is the game dealer wants DSC2 and copper shot. No way in hell my mate will do his DSC quals at his age ... so generally we hammer them when I go down and I do the gralloch and inspections and off they go to the game dealer.
I personally wont pull the trigger on a deer unless I know where its going and at times that means I dont go out if I cant get rid (and if my freezer is full).
Not critcising your approach mate
My father did DSC1 & DSC2 in his late 70's some 60 years after he shot his first stag.The whole situation is a real pain in the backside. One of my mates has shot 1,000s of deer and has been shooting for 50+ years, is a bloody good shot and could shoot a hell of a lot more deer if he could get rid..the issue is the game dealer wants DSC2 and copper shot. No way in hell my mate will do his DSC quals at his age ... so generally we hammer them when I go down and I do the gralloch and inspections and off they go to the game dealer.
I personally wont pull the trigger on a deer unless I know where its going and at times that means I dont go out if I cant get rid (and if my freezer is full).
Not critcising your approach mate
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JCS
Fair play
My mate is not one for quals for quals sake and has shot enough deer over the years not to worry. Good excuse for him to get the "younger" generation to do the work once the deer is on the deck 
Nickb
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Roe are a bit different to fallow , the odd roe can be discreetly left for fox bait .The whole situation is a real pain in the backside. One of my mates has shot 1,000s of deer and has been shooting for 50+ years, is a bloody good shot and could shoot a hell of a lot more deer if he could get rid..the issue is the game dealer wants DSC2 and copper shot. No way in hell my mate will do his DSC quals at his age ... so generally we hammer them when I go down and I do the gralloch and inspections and off they go to the game dealer.
I personally wont pull the trigger on a deer unless I know where its going and at times that means I dont go out if I cant get rid (and if my freezer is full).
Not critcising your approach mate
One of my farmers wants all the roe gone , last few I have butchered for his son .
Takes longer to fill the freezer as well....we are running 2 chest and 2 uprights at the mo...2 pigs and about 3 fallow + fruit etc etc,,,cant eat it all fast enough 
Keep up the good work i think theyll make a fortune , folk love paying for bits of paper , getting out and doing the job .... not so much
Norfolk Horn
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I will add one more thing and that is as time goes by a lot of the requirements will be insurance lead in my opinion regarding qualifications required
Fair play to him hes doing the exact same thing basc / dmq have done for decades if people are willing to throw money at him i cant fault him
Indeed
The caveat to that is who is behind the whole thing, the likes of Jones, Dalton and Rowantree who make their livings training people and selling stalking.
The original ethos of DSC was from the BDS who are an animal welfare charity-of course some folks made a load of money out of it but knowing some of the original members of the training committee I believe intentions were pure. Now we have independent practitioners devising courses, attaining LANTRA status, campaigning constabularies to accept it as equal to existing qualifications, and subsequently inventing further qualifications we will eventually have to obtain as I am certain it will become mandatory.
If it wasn’t so sad it’d be laughable, especially as at least 2 of the persons promoting it have been publicly shamed for dubious activity bringing deer stalking into disrepute, and the other spends most of his time fleecing rich londoners and stealing permissions.
Personally I don’t see any difference between that lot and the mob at Marford mill , let people take it if they like
I know of a few game dealers where you never get asked for qualifications, dsc number etc, so many stalkers out there without dsc 1 but they still take carcasses to dealer.
Well those game dealers ought to be pulled up over it, and the stalkers should know better.
The rules surrounding the supply of wild venison into the food chain are actually pretty relaxed, but if people continue to abuse the situation then everything will get tightened up and we'll all lose out.
The minimal amount of "paper" currently required is very easy for anyone to get, so there's no excuse for not having it.
But if people don’t comply with those minimal requirements then there's a very real risk that an awful lot more "paper" might be required in future, and I would hate to see that happen.
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