DSC 3

[kenbro]

Read my post properly and then take a breath fella.
PDS 1 is an online course that requires around 30 hrs of input and modular tests and a final exam. It teaches the same syllabus as DSC 1
It’s a non attendance course.
The shooting test is similar to the DSc version and is done by an assessor.

There is an introduction to stalking course that is run over a single day and holds no accreditation. Costs around £500. Pay your money and take a chance if that’s what you’re in to.
A couple of decades ago i introduced a mate to stalking. Took him out and he shot his first deer. Showed him how to gralloch etc.
Fast forward a couple of years he was my witness on my level 2.( needed the ticket to retain land)
Take what you want from these courses, they are useful for some but just a formality for others.
They are a cash cow for all those involved, you and I included.
Peter Jones lives in peoples heads rent free.

And DMQ level 2 can very easily done in a pub. Tick a few boxes log on have a chat with the verifier. Job done. Surprising what you hear in the pub after shoot days.

Who verifies the verifiers, where does it end?
In some one’s bank account….. that’s where

Long time ago I did my DSC1 with a man called John Bridges.
From memory I used a DVD to learn stuff.
We met in a pub (Half a dozen of us) to do the actual exam. and did the parts that could be done in any type of building.
We didn’t do the shooting part in the pub though, we drove a couple of minutes to some land where the necessary targets were ready and waiting for us.
There was a witness watching the shooting.
All in all a very efficient way to do the DSC1 back in the day when they told you you needed one.
Ken.

 

[jimmer.13]

They were charged £500 each, that's £1500 for less

What do you charge a complete novice for a day out or introduction to stalking.
A morning of rifle handling and safe shooting at a deer target.
An afternoon on the hill maybe or in a wood?
Grasses a stag or a buck under your supervision?
You’ve passed on some of your hard earned knowledge given up a day a beast all on land you pay good rent for.
The novice is over the moon but probably couldn’t tell you what’s in season and where. The difference between a sika and a red even though he’s had your steady tuition all day.
So what do you charge them?
Bearing in mind his travel expenses and possibly overnight accommodation and food.
Shot fee?
Ammo fee?
Outing fee?
Carcass fee?
Tip?
I don’t know mate but unless it’s a charity thing or a favour it won’t be free.
Because it’s a business that has a supply and demand and currently a free market to choose from.

To add just because you’ve done a course who is verifying that you are still undertaking best practice in all that you do???

Do you see my point?

 

[Ratel]

My take on all this has changed radically over the years. Sure I did the old Woodland stalkers cert, straight off the cuff, just went along and did all the bits. Then progressed to level2 and after a while became an AW. I taught parts of the level 1 course at The Barony college for a year or two to help a friend out. I now think the whole thing is a money making exercise for various organisations and if you have never stalked its worthwhile perhaps doing level 1.
Boil it all down and my thoughts are now that there is only one way to kill a deer and really only one way to get a carcase on hooks in the larder. Learn these and gain experience, don't bother funding the livelihood of the employees of some organisations. You will find which way suits you without any pieces of paper.

 

[sikamalc]

What do you charge a complete novice for a day out or introduction to stalking.
A morning of rifle handling and safe shooting at a deer target.
An afternoon on the hill maybe or in a wood?
Grasses a stag or a buck under your supervision?
You’ve passed on some of your hard earned knowledge given up a day a beast all on land you pay good rent for.
The novice is over the moon but probably couldn’t tell you what’s in season and where. The difference between a sika and a red even though he’s had your steady tuition all day.
So what do you charge them?
Bearing in mind his travel expenses and possibly overnight accommodation and food.
Shot fee?
Ammo fee?
Outing fee?
Carcass fee?
Tip?
I don’t know mate but unless it’s a charity thing or a favour it won’t be free.
Because it’s a business that has a supply and demand and currently a free market to choose from.

To add just because you’ve done a course who is verifying that you are still undertaking best practice in all that you do???

Do you see my point?

I dont charge anything. So get your facts right. When I helped run DMQ1 courses they were £300 for 3 days. You either passed or failed. Not an approx pass.
I've never charged fir a shot fee, rifle hire or expected a tip either.
As my wife is now fighting cancer I'm almost retired. But if you think PDS3 is the mutts nuts, knock yourself out.

 

[jimmer.13]

I dont charge anything. So get your facts right. When I helped run DMQ1 courses they were £300 for 3 days. You either passed or failed. Not an approx pass.
I've never charged fir a shot fee, rifle hire or expected a tip either.
As my wife is now fighting cancer I'm almost retired. But if you think PDS3 is the mutts nuts, knock yourself out.

I was asking you a question fella, keep your wig on.
So you don’t charge an outing fee for a level 2 outing on your ground?
You don’t charge a cull fee on a level 2 assessment on your ground?
See what I’m getting at?

People expect to pay for services, training outings etc.
Your advertising says you certainly do charge for stalking but again read my posts after taking a breath, I didn’t ask if you charge for level 2 assessments but do you charge for the outing fee that accompanies the assessment on your ground shooting your deer?
Sweet deal if you don’t.

Not a fan of any courses so I certainly won’t be knocking myself out over a DSC 3 management course as it’s not a requirement for what I do.
You still don’t understand that the blokes who took the PDS introduction course has absolutely no accreditation and is completely different from DSC1 and PDS 1.
They undertook the 1 day INTRODUCTION course similar to what the BDS NGO and BASC .
I agree they got rinsed for a 1 day course but as everyone keeps saying time over, you pay your money and take a choice.

 

[Mike L]

@jimmer.13 are you financially involved with the DSC3?

 

[Moray Outfitting]

Come on guys, can we get away from calling this a DSC qualification. It has nothing to do with DMQ at all. If you would get the wording right I wouldn't have guys contacting me in a panic. They believed it was something they had to do to stay stalking. Obviously a con after Scottish Government talking about having everyone who stalks needing a qual. Admin, do you not think this one should be wrapped up now. Taking up a lot of space and hot air. J

 

[jimmer.13]

@jimmer.13 are you financially involved with the DSC3?

No mate not at all.

Just making a point that it’s a course that’s out there should people want to take it up and can’t understand why it’s breaking the brains of some folk.
No one is making you take it.


Someone might make up a course for shooting deer from helicopters in the future and how it should be managed.
Could cost £thousands.
Same folk would get bent out of shape about it because it’s different to what they know and do.
If it were a perceived pariah that invented this course then I might start a business selling Deer Stalkers Defibrillators.
I’ll say it again not a fan of any of these courses.
See my point.

 

[jimmer.13]

Come on guys, can we get away from calling this a DSC qualification. It has nothing to do with DMQ at all. If you would get the wording right I wouldn't have guys contacting me in a panic. They believed it was something they had to do to stay stalking. Obviously a con after Scottish Government talking about having everyone who stalks needing a qual. Admin, do you not think this one should be wrapped up now. Taking up a lot of space and hot air. J

Then it’s a thread worth keeping as some folks still can’t see this course for what it is.
Let alone any of the other courses available out there for that matter…..

 

[monarman]

Its not actually a course ... its an assessment... youre paying for a bit of paper to say youve done courses and you can write a deer management plan...

 

[sikamalc]

Can't be asked with some people on here at the minute.