21 Sharps - Waste of time?

[12gsnapcaps]

Anyone seen one in the UK?

It looks like a neat idea, but ultimately a lot of effort for very little gain.

Maybe in the states where you can just buy one for a laugh on the fly, but probably not here where each purchase needs lots of thought, paperwork and time etc.

 

[Smellydog]

I don't know who in charge of Winchester research and development but I think he or she is an idiot!

 

[Heym SR20]

In many ways the 21 Sharps makes a lot of sense, especially given that the 22 Long Rifle is really 150 year old technology and its healed bulled is not the best aerodynamically.

The 22 LR will hang around as long as its the standard small bore competition cartridge at Olympics etc, but I suspect as the next generations are much less accepting of harmful lead materials used in ammunition then other cartridges will fill the void. 21 Sharps does this, but so could other small centre fire cartridges - probably still a twinkling in cartridge developers eye.

I think the 21 Sharps is gaining popularity in parts of the US such as California that have already banned lead ammunition for all hunting purposes. The 21 Sharps is designed to shot non lead ammo.

I know that in the UK the 17 HMR with non toxic bullets is being used on land where lead is not being used.

 

[Smellydog]

What a load of twaddle...
A heeled bullet from a 22 blows out to the barrel via pressure.
From what I'm seeing of so called technological advances I think I prefer the old stuff.

 

[cjm1066]

Inovitave, but reports of its accuracy suggest it's not yet ready for market acceptance.

 

[enfieldspares]

Are they reinventing the long passed .22 Winchester Rimfire aka .22 WRF from which the later and longer .22 Winchester Rimfire Magnum would be developed? The .22 WRF was, in fact, a very good idea. But so was Sony Betamax and Phillips 2000 video. Both better than VHS. But just as, to use another example, "Windows" would dominate the PC market you can't beat the "big battalions". Excellent idea a "greaseless" .22LR sized rimfire that can be carried loose in a pocket and not pick up dirt. Better would have been to revive .22 WRF. But .21 Sharps will likely fail as did .22 WRF and 5mm Remington.

 

[kenbro]

Tell me why am I on here on Christmas Day ???
Ken.

 

[enfieldspares]

Tell me why am I on here on Christmas Day ???
Ken.

Between pre-boiling the potatoes and putting them in with the bird in the oven? LOL!

 

[Muir]

Winchester is up to their old tricks: hyping a cartridge they developed. They have run
this same playbook for better than one hundred years but now the internet out paces them. 21 Sharps; Yawn! -Muir

 

[enfieldspares]

Winchester is up to their old tricks: hyping a cartridge they developed. They have run
this same playbook for better than one hundred years but now the internet out paces them. 21 Sharps; Yawn! -Muir

Bring back the .224 Winchester!

 

[enfieldspares]

Bring back the .224 Winchester!

Or bring back the .225 Winchester.

But joking aside they, Winchester, have used the designation .218 (Bee) .219 (Zipper), .220 (Swift) .223 (WSSM) .224, .225 and in both rim and centre fire .22 (WRF, WCF) that they must have been struggling to find a "calibre" size number that they hadn't already used. And, as MUIR says, most ALL of the above ave obsolete or effectively moribund.

 

[Smellydog]

I always wanted a .25 rimfire. On the larger case that Winchester somehow thought it would be good idea to turf out another bleeding .17
A nice 60gn copper plated soft lead bullet would ob been quite good around the globe.

 

[KimE]

Winchester is up to their old tricks: hyping a cartridge they developed. They have run
this same playbook for better than one hundred years but now the internet out paces them. 21 Sharps; Yawn! -Muir

I will only work there you not are allowed to use lead in 22lr.

 

[Bavarianbrit]

Or bring back the .225 Winchester.

But joking aside they, Winchester, have used the designation .218 (Bee) .219 (Zipper), .220 (Swift) .223 (WSSM) .224, .225 and in both rim and centre fire .22 (WRF, WCF) that they must have been struggling to find a "calibre" size number that they hadn't already used. And, as MUIR says, most ALL of the above ave obsolete or effectively moribund.

I use .225 Win cases to make my 6.5JDJs. SSK Industries figured it out.

 

[KimE]

Its reasonable to choose 21 as the bullet are inside the case as oppossed to 22lr wich has a healed bullet close to chamber size. Its probably the same bore size as 22wrm wich also has the bullet inside the case.

 

[NullMac]

From what I'm seeing of so called technological advances I think I prefer the old stuff.

Yup. They had to dial back the 7PRC cos the pressure was too high, and the manky hunters who never clean the things had a carbon ring to get rid of in their tight chambers. Video on Ron Spomer on the 7 Backcountry. Same **** had to dial back the mv as they were inaccurate, had extraction issues and, rather worryingly, seemed to damage the bolt!

Maybe thats why you can buy stronger beer than factory Creed ammo

 

[nf-fuse]

It's probably a good idea in terms of the shape of the bullet.

However to be better than 22lr the ammo would have to be better quality. And we are talking Winchester here.

 

[User00056]

I'm struggling to see the point Who would go to the trouble of rebarrelling a .22 to suit the bullet when you can just choose an existing smallbore centrefire. I don't get it. It's an ill-considered solution to a problem that doesn't exist, to my mind

 

[nf-fuse]

I'm struggling to see the point Who would go to the trouble of rebarrelling a .22 to suit the bullet when you can just choose an existing smallbore centrefire. I don't get it. It's an ill-considered solution to a problem that doesn't exist, to my mind

I think the whole point of it is for it to be a lead free small rimfire.

I don't see any point comparing it to a centre fire.

I think the problem is if it isn't really better than existing copper stuff in 22lr it's a bit pointless.

 

[User00056]

I think the whole point of it is for it to be a lead free small rimfire.

I don't see any point comparing it to a centre fire.

I think the problem is if it isn't really better than existing copper stuff in 22lr it's a bit pointless.

Aren't there any copper .17 bullets available?