shakey jake
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Calibre for foxes in wind
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MTheaded but happy
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Just for comparison, my 22 Creedmoor has half the windrift of my 22-250 and the 80 ELD-M in the Creedmoor has the same drift as my 6XC at 250 yards in a full value 20 mph wind . At 500 the Creedmoor has 1 inch less drift and 10 inch less drop .
I handload for all 3 , though I'm just starting out with the 22Creed so far a pleasure to shoot .
I handload for all 3 , though I'm just starting out with the 22Creed so far a pleasure to shoot .
J.Thomson
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.243 58gr hornadays, it’s a hot bullet, 2” drop at 300- 0.5”high zero. Doesn’t catch the wind too bad with the speed it’s going.
Before that the discontinued sako 55gr was the fox buster!
Edit: both of these bullets are very humane kills, they have the “hot water bottle” effect on foxes upto 300yrds (I’m certain they would do the same at further ranges, but the that’s the max I’ve shot at)
Before that the discontinued sako 55gr was the fox buster!
Edit: both of these bullets are very humane kills, they have the “hot water bottle” effect on foxes upto 300yrds (I’m certain they would do the same at further ranges, but the that’s the max I’ve shot at)
MTheaded but happy
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At what velocity ? StrelokPro gives 4.5 inches of drop at 300 yards with 3900 fps at the muzzle .
One on top of two
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50 gr v-max out of a 1:14 .223 AI for run of the mill foxing, 75 gr v-max out of a .243 for those particularly windy nights.
Did try the 300 PRC, but the recoil is a bit much with an NV add on…..
Are your 22-250 and your creedmoor shooting the same bullet?
the prowler
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My 243 with 75vmax. Very devastating
MTheaded but happy
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Nope , 50 grain Vmax vs 80 grain ELD-M , I know it's not apples for apples . You'd really have to push that Vmax hard to match that ELD in a strong wind . Its probably not possible.
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. Great bullet, it’s what I shoot out of my .223AI. So a fast twist 22-250 shooting the 80 gr ELD-M is going to be pretty close if not the same as you’re creedmoor. And if it’s a semi custom the 22-250 Ackley will match the creedmoor.
What bullet are you ahooting in the XC?
MTheaded but happy
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Anything’s possible
So a fast twist 22-250 shooting the 80 gr ELD-M is going to be pretty close if not the same as you’re creedmoor. And if it’s a semi custom the 22-250 Ackley will match the creedmoor.
What bullet are you ahooting in the XC?
A fast twist 22-250 may get near to what I'm getting if you push the pressures , at the expense of brass life . My velocities aren't demonstrating the 22 Creeds capabilities , using a different powder , I've seen another 200fps over the chrono without pressure signs , so with both maxed out the 22-250 will be left wanting . The ES was poor , barrels aren't cheap and I've met my aims with a slower powder .
The 22-250 AI was on my shortlist , further reading revealed those trying to go toe to toe with the 22 CM were loosening primer pockets very quickly .
I've read the arguments in favour of other chamberings , all of them involve pushing the limits or extra work to achieve the same . I genuinely believe the biggest objection by many , is the fact it’s part of the Creedmoor family .
The 6XC is shooting a 108 ELD-M at near 2950fps .
Chap at the club shoots the 6 XC, seems a very handy little cartridge.
Loose primers on the 22-250 is likely down to the brass quality, similar to the fact that at top end loads hornady 6.5 cm brass primer pockets give up very quickly.
The 22-250 AI & .22 CM case capacity are very similar, 30 degree shoulder vs 40 degree, with the same quality brass I can’t see any difference between the 2 in brass life or performance.
You mention pushing pressures but max pressure for 22-250 is higher at 65kpsi than the creedmoor at 62kpsi, unless you have pressure testing equipment you don’t actually know what your creedmoor is running at, you can only guess from pressure signs and simulations.
The point I’m trying to make is the creedmoor isn’t really doing anything new, that couldn’t be had with an existing chambering.
Nothing against creedmoors, I’ve had a 6.5 for around 10 years, I’ve considered the .22 and it looks really good but for the foxing I do it won’t add anything between my .223AI and .243 and for range work the 6.5 is better, in terms of barrel life if nothing else.
MTheaded but happy
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You're right I can't tell you what pressure I'm running at , what I can tell you is my charge is over 2 grains below max for an 80 grain Nosler CC(VV don't list 80 ELD-M) and at max charge for a 90 grain Amax . Probably safe to say I'm well down on pressure.
The other powder was RS 62 , that data was supplied directly from them , again I hadn't reached max .
The 22-250 is still lacking even with its higher max pressure by 200 fps across the board against the Creedmoor .
The guy who struggled with his AI's primer pockets , I think , was using Peterson . I'll have to fact check that . Regardless , even if the AI does match the Creedmoor , why would I choose one over the Creedmoor when it doesn't offer any advantages ? I can live without wasting time and consumables fireforming brass .
Creedmoor owners see a need to defend their choice , I don't . People should go with what they fancy , there's others to choose from . I'm a big believer in ,"you do you " .
As for not doing anything new , you could argue that over a lot of other cartridges . The 6.5s are a classic example !
I don't wish to hijack the thread , apologies to the OP.
The other powder was RS 62 , that data was supplied directly from them , again I hadn't reached max .
The 22-250 is still lacking even with its higher max pressure by 200 fps across the board against the Creedmoor .
The guy who struggled with his AI's primer pockets , I think , was using Peterson . I'll have to fact check that . Regardless , even if the AI does match the Creedmoor , why would I choose one over the Creedmoor when it doesn't offer any advantages ? I can live without wasting time and consumables fireforming brass .
Creedmoor owners see a need to defend their choice , I don't . People should go with what they fancy , there's others to choose from . I'm a big believer in ,"you do you " .
As for not doing anything new , you could argue that over a lot of other cartridges . The 6.5s are a classic example !
I don't wish to hijack the thread , apologies to the OP.
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J.Thomson
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Hello, sorry I tell a lie, my offset it 1” high at 100yrds, not 0.5”. 3996fps muzzle, 2741fps @300yrds 2.02” drop.
This zero setup/bullet works well for me, might not work for all, however 1” high & 2” low is point and shoot engine room on a fox, I have hik with ballistics if I were to need it, but usually just use it to double check my bearings where i decide to sit/stand.
Here’s one from tonight, one shot into the chest head on, Instant lights out, and liquidated insides.
I hope this helps, I would really recommend
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J.Thomson
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Changed moa/inches ( got a new phone, and its reset all of my strelox settingsHello, sorry I tell a lie, my offset it 1” high at 100yrds, not 0.5”. 3996fps muzzle, 2741fps @300yrds 2.02” drop.
This zero setup/bullet works well for me, might not work for all, however 1” high & 2” low is point and shoot engine room on a fox, I have hik with ballistics if I were to need it, but usually just use it to double check my bearings where i decide to sit/stand.
Here’s one from tonight, one shot into the chest head on, Instant lights out, and liquidated insides.
I hope this helps, I would really recommend
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