Bo Diddley
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There is so little profit in sugar beets that it's doubtful whether, in a couple of years, any farmers will bother with them. Sugar = Bad, and cheap imported cane sugar, probably.
Petrol and diesel car ban 2030
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Ratcatcher
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Unfortunately that's not just true of beet, almost all cereals now run at best, break even, and don't even start to talk about milk, one of my farmers retired this month he started in 1988, there were over 140,000 farms in milk, now, 7300 ISH
If you think of the just in time supply chain in car production nowadays, I can't see how the suppliers that provide parts for combustion engines (currently in huge volumes) will be able to continue to supply low volumes as spares. You could easily end up with the last petrol or diesel car off the production line and it be obsolete before the warranty runs out.
timbrayford
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I wouldn't be so sure on that, the EU doesn't dominate the world car market and the UK is even smaller, elsewhere in the world this eco-nonsense is falling by the wayside anyway, if it ever got established at all. It could be EV spares that are hard to come by in the future?
sikamalc
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Most likely one of the most stupid rules this useless, hopeless government have come up with.
It will over all damage and most probably destroy the economy even further, mass lay offs, more tax, which is already in the pipeline, not to mention the infrastructure for going all electric. Especially as we have some of the highest electric bills you can find, and will continue to rise.
The biggest problem with this global warming business, which I personally think is over rated, although granted the pollution of our seas, rivers seems to be a low priority for our useless governments, is deforestation.
One only has to look to the amazon area, where huge swathes of ancient rain forest are destroyed every year. This is the lungs of the earth in my opinion. It creates its own weather, it absorbs carbon and releases oxygen. And yet along with the African rain forests of the Congo, it is being cut down at a rate never seen before. This is far more important than our transport being electrified. Modern cars now are much cleaner than 20 years ago, why did we have catalytic convertors installed? Engines are more efficient, cleaner. Even diesel cars are not what they were 40 years back. We don't use coal to burn on open fires as we did 40 years back either.
As far as I can see all these windmills are also not only a blot on the landscape, but will take years to pay back for themselves. Plus covering the landscape with solar farms is also destroying the countryside.
To me its like putting a sticking plaster on a large open wound, that will not stop the bleeding.
I hate to think what the British countryside and the world as a whole will be like in 20 years time? I will probably not be here, but its a sad state of affairs for our children and grandchildren.
It will over all damage and most probably destroy the economy even further, mass lay offs, more tax, which is already in the pipeline, not to mention the infrastructure for going all electric. Especially as we have some of the highest electric bills you can find, and will continue to rise.
The biggest problem with this global warming business, which I personally think is over rated, although granted the pollution of our seas, rivers seems to be a low priority for our useless governments, is deforestation.
One only has to look to the amazon area, where huge swathes of ancient rain forest are destroyed every year. This is the lungs of the earth in my opinion. It creates its own weather, it absorbs carbon and releases oxygen. And yet along with the African rain forests of the Congo, it is being cut down at a rate never seen before. This is far more important than our transport being electrified. Modern cars now are much cleaner than 20 years ago, why did we have catalytic convertors installed? Engines are more efficient, cleaner. Even diesel cars are not what they were 40 years back. We don't use coal to burn on open fires as we did 40 years back either.
As far as I can see all these windmills are also not only a blot on the landscape, but will take years to pay back for themselves. Plus covering the landscape with solar farms is also destroying the countryside.
To me its like putting a sticking plaster on a large open wound, that will not stop the bleeding.
I hate to think what the British countryside and the world as a whole will be like in 20 years time? I will probably not be here, but its a sad state of affairs for our children and grandchildren.
Bavarianbrit
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When does the sun shine there?
Bavarianbrit
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Dream on.
Time will tell
If the EU collapses, we'll have rather bigger problems facing us than the availability of diesel/petrol cars...
As an aside, Carney has said that Canada could join the EU........
www.policymagazine.ca
and we should certainly rejoin.
D.
As an aside, Carney has said that Canada could join the EU........
View from Europe: The Increasingly Convincing Case for Canada Joining the EU - Policy Magazine
Among the possibilities is the expansion of the European Union as a liberal counterweight to autocratic hegemony, most interestingly to include what Prime
www.policymagazine.ca
and we should certainly rejoin.
D.
Carney got bigger problems, Epstein Island visitor on many occasions.If the EU collapses, we'll have rather bigger problems facing us than the availability of diesel/petrol cars...
As an aside, Carney has said that Canada could join the EU........
View from Europe: The Increasingly Convincing Case for Canada Joining the EU - Policy Magazine
Among the possibilities is the expansion of the European Union as a liberal counterweight to autocratic hegemony, most interestingly to include what Prime
and we should certainly rejoin.
D.
You dont rejoin a sinking ship.
tackb
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I personally will consider a vote to rejoin the EU once we’ve been out as long as we were in ?
In the mean time I will vote for any party that will enact brexit properly which sadly for you would only speed up the failure of the already failing EU
i can’t type my Canadian mates opinion of Carney on here or I’ll get a ten year ban and smacked legs !If the EU collapses, we'll have rather bigger problems facing us than the availability of diesel/petrol cars...
As an aside, Carney has said that Canada could join the EU........
View from Europe: The Increasingly Convincing Case for Canada Joining the EU - Policy Magazine
Among the possibilities is the expansion of the European Union as a liberal counterweight to autocratic hegemony, most interestingly to include what Prime
and we should certainly rejoin.
D.
I personally will consider a vote to rejoin the EU once we’ve been out as long as we were in ?
In the mean time I will vote for any party that will enact brexit properly which sadly for you would only speed up the failure of the already failing EU
Stelliantis that build various car brands have reintroduced 7 models with diesel engines.
Germany got eu to push back to 2035 as did the tories.
Only when liebour scammed their way to power they put it back to 2030.
Millipede the idiot is bankrupting Britain with his green taxes ,China ,India and America are laughing at the uk.
Germany got eu to push back to 2035 as did the tories.
Only when liebour scammed their way to power they put it back to 2030.
Millipede the idiot is bankrupting Britain with his green taxes ,China ,India and America are laughing at the uk.
I don't see it being possible. With the best will in the world, how will several multi-billion industries and the infrastructure that they depend on suddenly roll belly up and acquiesce to the arbitrary statements of an incompetent government? I just don't see it happening 
Bo Diddley
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I'm sure clever person on here knows the details of how government regulation is skewing the sale of EV-Hybrid-ICE vehicles 
I think the manufacturers/retailers have to meet certain targets, which is why you are quoted ridiculously long waiting times for some vehicles, I'm told.
I think the manufacturers/retailers have to meet certain targets, which is why you are quoted ridiculously long waiting times for some vehicles, I'm told.
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