UK moderator on vistors FAC

[Emilio]

I was wondering if anybody knows whether it is possible to put a moderator on a visitors FAC from a Dutch person (In Holland mods are not allowed) and, if so, what the procedure would incorporate?

Before someone gets into not being able to take it back to Holand; we have the possibility to keep it in France where mods are (almost) freely availbale and not registered.

 

[Heym SR20]

To be honest I would not bother. Moderators should soon be off ticket so why go through a the rigmarole.

However a visitors permit does allow a visitor ti acquire and use a firearm. As a sponsor getting a visitor permits for German friend I put down my rifle and shotguns for them to use during their visit. I would suggest on your friends permit put down that he can borrow your moderator during his visit.

But if moderators are so easily available in France why does he not simply buy one there.

 

[Emilio]

To be honest I would not bother. Moderators should soon be off ticket so why go through a the rigmarole.

However a visitors permit does allow a visitor ti acquire and use a firearm. As a sponsor getting a visitor permits for German friend I put down my rifle and shotguns for them to use during their visit. I would suggest on your friends permit put down that he can borrow your moderator during his visit.

But if moderators are so easily available in France why does he not simply buy one there.

Mods will not yet be off ticket when we come over. This is not about a friend or borrowing something, but us Dutchies coming over.
I know later in the year this problem will solve itself, but for our next visit it would be nice if we could get it on our FAC's so we can shoot with mods. Without is no fun for us and people around.
We would like to shoot with a mod and buy this mod in the UK, so the question is whether this is possible with a visitor permit since we are not able to get this on our Dutch gun licences.
If we buy one in France, which is possible and legal if it does not leave the country, this still would not be registered anywhere so not automatically put on our FAC's.

 

[Deerhunter22]

Why do country’s not allow moderators ? You’d think for they would for reducing disturbance and for user safety as far as hearing is concerned

 

[Emilio]

Why do country’s not allow moderators ? You’d think for they would for reducing disturbance and for user safety as far as hearing is concerned

Because Holland is a leftwinged country where hunting is no priority with only 30.000 hunters in the whole country. The legislation is ready, now resting somewhere in a dusty drawer untill somebody in the government gets bored and needs sonething to do.....
The whole EU is a yoke in this repsect, all countries have different laws regarding weapons and hunting, very annoying.

Apparantly the law in the UK also is not all that simple, because nobody seems to know the answer to my question...

 

[Deerhunter22]

Because Holland is a leftwinged country where hunting is no priority with only 30.000 hunters in the whole country. The legislation is ready, now resting somewhere in a dusty drawer untill somebody in the government gets bored and needs sonething to do.....
The whole EU is a yoke in this repsect, all countries have different laws regarding weapons and hunting, very annoying.

Apparantly the law in the UK also is not all that simple, because nobody seems to know the answer to my question...

To put it simply, if you’re coming over from Holland with no mod, I doubt/ would be pretty sure you won’t get to have one on a visitors permit. To my knowledge why you bring on your visitor license is what you can use!!!

Almost certain you can’t borrow someone else’s who lives in the UK and is on there FAC here.
Truth of the matter is, the hassle anyways to use one would be pointless. I’d go without


The law here on firearms and shotguns is generally speaking somewhat clear but there’s tonnes of little caveats here and there and unless your a firearms lawyer who can do a deep dive into the law about specific things I doubt anyone will know for sure

 

[Emilio]

I wonder how someone from France does this? They have no mods on there paperwork because no registration. So even if they own one they would not be able to bring it?

I need to ask if we would be allowed to shoot the land without a mod. Would really prefer to be able to use them, gives a bigger chance for a second shot and otherwise my wife would need to use a muzzlebreak which is loud....

 

[Scarpa]

If you already own it you may be able to get that entered on your Visitors Permit (along with the rifle) by the appropriate UK police force if you provide all the moderator details. I brought my Austrian rifle over last summer and supplied all the details to Thames Police, they ended up giving me a 6 month permit with no conditions as I was doing a variety of stalks and range days. The only Austrian paperwork I had was a European Firearm Pass, but I used to live in the UK and had held a shotgun cert there for a lot of my life.

 

[Emilio]

Was the mod on your EFP?

 

[Scarpa]

Was the mod on your EFP?

Unfortunately I can't own a mod, in Austria they are restricted to Austrian qualified hunters and I have the UK DSC1 qualification. It's an awkward situation in that some countries don't include them on the EFP. But as with bringing in a firearm from a country such as the US which has no licence it may be possible to get a note from your local police force detailing both the rifle and mod and that you are of good character, combine this with a hunting record and they may look favourably on your application.

 

[Deerhunter22]

I wonder how someone from France does this? They have no mods on there paperwork because no registration. So even if they own one they would not be able to bring it?

I need to ask if we would be allowed to shoot the land without a mod. Would really prefer to be able to use them, gives a bigger chance for a second shot and otherwise my wife would need to use a muzzlebreak which is loud....

If they own one in France I’d imagine they’d be able to put it on there visitor permit just to my understanding what your saying is you don’t even own one in your own country which means if you come here you’ll need to borrow one which tbh i think is a no go here but could be wrong

You can shoot without a mod in the UK it’s just not the done thing here now because mods are now basically just a part of having the license to use a rifle
But yeh a 2nd shot may be tough going mods do a good job at making the noise sound like it’s come from anywhere

 

[Emilio]

We can buy mods in France, but the big question would be whether we would be able to get is on our visitors FAC's (which are already being processed) before the end of april when we come over.
Halfway through the year the problem will solve itself with mods coming off ticket, so too much hassle may not be worth it.....

 

[Deerhunter22]

We can buy mods in France, but the big question would be whether we would be able to get is on our visitors FAC's (which are already being processed) before the end of april when we come over.
Halfway through the year the problem will solve itself with mods coming off ticket, so too much hassle may not be worth it.....

Ah sorry, if you can buy one in France then I’d be pretty sure you can put that on your visitor FAC permit but if you live in Holland I’m assuming your going to get rid of it back in France on your way home ?
If that’s the case I’m sure you can’t bring it, best bet would be to phone the licensing people or whoever n have it added to your application
I thought you didn’t own one at all in Holland in which case No you probably couldn’t borrow one from someone here

 

[VSS]

gives a bigger chance for a second shot

That's a myth.

 

[Emilio]

That's a myth.

We'll find out should we need to withoud a mod....

 

[ashray]

Good evening ,can you not just use the estate rifle rules in the uk ,if the estate rifle uses a moderator you are good to go ?

 

[Emilio]

Ah sorry, if you can buy one in France then I’d be pretty sure you can put that on your visitor FAC permit but if you live in Holland I’m assuming your going to get rid of it back in France on your way home ?
If that’s the case I’m sure you can’t bring it, best bet would be to phone the licensing people or whoever n have it added to your application
I thought you didn’t own one at all in Holland in which case No you probably couldn’t borrow one from someone here

We can keep it in France no problem. We have guns on our Dutch EFP but mods are not allowed. Mods in France can be bought without a problem as long as you can prove you have a gun to use it with, which we have, so hunting with mods i France would not be a problem.

 

[Emilio]

Good evening ,can you not just use the estate rifle rules in the uk ,if the estate rifle uses a moderator you are good to go ?

Not sure if this applies without supervision and even then it has to fit and be available, which is not the case where we will be staying I'm afraid.....

 

[C h r i s]

The visitor permit applications that I've completed for the European based members of my club have always had to include a copy of the EFP, and only those items listed on the EFP can be requested for inclusion on the visitors permit. There is no "authority to acquire" a rifle (or mod) as far as I remember, only the authority to acquire ammunition.

So if the mod (wherever you have acquired it) is not listed on your EFP then I doubt you can get it listed on your visitors permit.

 

[Donkey Basher]

The visitor permit applications that I've completed for the European based members of my club have always had to include a copy of the EFP, and only those items listed on the EFP can be requested for inclusion on the visitors permit. There is no "authority to acquire" a rifle (or mod) as far as I remember, only the authority to acquire ammunition.

So if the mod (wherever you have acquired it) is not listed on your EFP then I doubt you can get it listed on your visitors permit.

This is my experience too

Although how this works now that we are no longer in the EU & the EFP is a worthless piece of paper I don’t know. I would imagine that anything you want on the visitors permit must be on your home country firearms licence.