palmer_mike
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And if you don’t comply with the conditions of that licence it’s the same as doing it without the license.
Night shooting deer under CL55 - Police Notifications
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palmer_mike
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Read post #162. Note the word MUST. Also note that it’s a condition or the license.
Except you don't.
The wording you provided is, "a suitable dog should be available". Legally, should carries no obligation. It is more a suggestion or recommendation. Must or shall are used to convey a mandatory obligation.
There is no doubt it would be best practice to have access to a dog, but that clause does not make it a legal necessity.
Okay, so you must comply with the guidance, which as pointed out, is still only guidance, not compulsion.
big ears
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It’s where it gets difficult to some.
You MUST follow GUIDLINES that are not rigid and open to some interpretation.
Phrases like “ideally” does not mean mandated.
At the end of the day if you choose to shoot deer on the edge of thick cover or in woods at night you are asking for trouble. I have little doubt someone will which is why I guess they have put this in,
There is no cure however for stupid
Are you perhaps confusing the Deer Initiative Ltd (DI Ltd) with the Deer Initiative Partnership (DIP)?
DI Ltd was the executive arm of the DIP. DI Ltd ceased operations on 31st March 2020 whereas DIP continues to operate. You can find the list of the partners currently involved in DIP here:
The Deer Initiative | Partners: BASC
thedeerinitiative.co.uk
The exec team from DI Ltd actually went to the Forestry Commission, not the BDS, see here:
Forestry Commission’s New Deer Management Team - The British Deer Society
Whilst any outstanding funds were transferred from DI Ltd to the BDS, the name DI Ltd was removed.
devon deer stalker
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I just read the DI best practice linked from the Gov site, so it states heart/lung shot, considering the amount of deer that will be delivered to some game dealers (not mine as they quite rightly don't penalise the stalker for boiler room shots)they will not be happy with this influx.
devon deer stalker
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Thanks for this, I wasn't aware, I was kind of suspicious of what occurred, that clears it up, I thought they had been disbanded and gone. That explains a lot.Are you perhaps confusing the Deer Initiative Ltd (DI Ltd) with the Deer Initiative Partnership (DIP)?
DI Ltd was the executive arm of the DIP. DI Ltd ceased operations on 31st March 2020 whereas DIP continues to operate. You can find the list of the partners currently involved in DIP here:
The Deer Initiative | Partners: BASC
The exec team from DI Ltd actually went to the Forestry Commission, not the BDS, see here:
Forestry Commission’s New Deer Management Team - The British Deer Society
Whilst any outstanding funds were transferred from DI Ltd to the BDS, the name DI Ltd was removed.
It did get announced at the time:
However this was all happening at the time that the UK moved into the Covid lockdowns, so largely got lost in the noise. Also it was easy to mistake DI Ltd and the DI Partnership as one and the same.
Whilst CL55 represents the collective view of all the members of the DI Partnership, the re-writing of the Best Practice Guide on night shooting was led by BASC, in conjunction with Natural England:
New streamlined night shooting licence released by Natural England
BASC has welcomed the release of Natural England’s new deer night licence, CL55.
basc.org.uk
The BDS position on CL55 is clearly laid out in their press release:
Night Shooting of Deer in England: What CL55 Really Means
Natural England’s new CL55 licence changes night shooting administration. Learn what it means for deer management.
bds.org.uk
big ears
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That does explain a lot thank you.Are you perhaps confusing the Deer Initiative Ltd (DI Ltd) with the Deer Initiative Partnership (DIP)?
DI Ltd was the executive arm of the DIP. DI Ltd ceased operations on 31st March 2020 whereas DIP continues to operate. You can find the list of the partners currently involved in DIP here:
The Deer Initiative | Partners: BASC
The exec team from DI Ltd actually went to the Forestry Commission, not the BDS, see here:
Forestry Commission’s New Deer Management Team - The British Deer Society
Whilst any outstanding funds were transferred from DI Ltd to the BDS, the name DI Ltd was removed.
I did have my suspicions that the DI were still active and up to their usual tricks but didn’t realise they still existed as an entity.
My bad.
When there may be someone in the next field shooting foxes or rabbits who has given the police no notice at all it seems jobsworthy to have to notify before every visit at least 24 hrs in advance.
The whole location requirement also becomes slightly farcical if you might be operating on a large estate that could be 15km long and spread between two counties.
The whole location requirement also becomes slightly farcical if you might be operating on a large estate that could be 15km long and spread between two counties.
that's not what it says (but probably the intent!). It just says you have to inform at least 24hrs in advance of shooting. There is no maximum notice period so my intention for next season is to inform the local police that "Night shooting in accordance with CL55 will take place on XXXX site between the period of 1st August and 30th April".
I know that's not what it says but it amazes me that something that should surely have been checked over by someone with a legal grounding has such ambiguous wording.
nf-fuse
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I asked them about the notification period and never got a reply.
It’ll be coming for lamping rabbits and foxes soon chaps don’t you worry
That or/and compulsory training, advocated by basc of course!
nf-fuse
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The rules for night shooting would be like that if it hadn't been effectively grandfathered in. The cl55 rules are what some public sector types would come up with if no had thought of might shooting before.
Old fashioned
... Can you imagine the e mails the police forces would get if this happened for fox and rabbit etc control to include more modern methods like NV and thermal lol....fingers crossed it never does come into forceIt will
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