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6pointer
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Driving School owner thank you very much lol. Married to a long suffering wife and i do manage to get out a fair bit but never enough.
Now back to the post because it was a very good chance for you lot (pro guides ) To clear up what gets charged for and what dose not. There are many on here i would guess who were looking and hoping that clarity regards trophy charging might be wrote down .But sadly as always the water gets mudded and no one is any the wiser. I am glad that i am not pulling the trigger wondering if this animal might cost me my pension. Most of the yorkshiremen i have took out would not consider shooting if they did not know were every Pennie was going lol.
HOW MUCH LOL
Now back to the post because it was a very good chance for you lot (pro guides ) To clear up what gets charged for and what dose not. There are many on here i would guess who were looking and hoping that clarity regards trophy charging might be wrote down .But sadly as always the water gets mudded and no one is any the wiser. I am glad that i am not pulling the trigger wondering if this animal might cost me my pension. Most of the yorkshiremen i have took out would not consider shooting if they did not know were every Pennie was going lol.
HOW MUCH LOL
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Davie, you ask how much it would cost to shoot the buck in your photos, now I could go on about assessing the head
and so on, but just bare with me in an imaginary scenario,
Just imagine you have booked a morning stalk with me which will end with you shooting the buck in the photo.
OK you have arrived and we have made our introductions, so we go to the target, thats when you inform me that you have had some problems with you rifle, so I suggest using mine and thats agreeable, now I know that its illegal to charge you for the use of the estate rifle, so can't charge you directly but will manage to add a bit in with the other charges, you will probably never notice.
OK first shot at the target is perfect, but it might be a fluke, better take another one in fact take two, always think three shots on the target, gives you a good idea of how the client shoots, now by law I am allowed to charge for bullets, but always think its difficult asking the client, for bullet money as when they ask why so much you have to explain as a home loader its not just the components, but I need to charge you for my time, after all you don't expect me to work for nothing.
OK off we go expect outing to last around three hours, there are plenty animals about and we pass up some bucks that are not suitable for shooting, see a couple of good bucks but pretend I have not seen them, and hope that you don't, after all I would not want you to shoot a buck to soon, I want you to get the full value of your three hour outing.
Also my outing fee is based on an hourly rate and if you shot one in the first half hour or so my conscience might bother me and I might feel obliged to give you a refund, and as a self employed guide I can't really afford to do that.
Now from the time you have arrived I have been observing you, from the type of car you have to the clothes you ware, I have also been subtly questioning you on your employment and life style, the reason will become apparent later.
OK getting to wards the end of the stalk and I am ready for my breakfast which you have kindly offered to buy me
at near bye café.
Spot good suitable buck and make approach, of the sticks at broadside shot not quite 80 yards, GOOD SHOT RELOAD. blxxdy Hell Davie you have missed shoot again, ah thats better he's down ! bxxxer its a wee bit high you have nicked the spine, sorry and all that but I will need to charge you for the carcase, aye the gamedealer is paying a very good price at the moment.
Yes I will prepare the trophy for you no, no extra charge its in with the price, well there is really have you seen how much they charge for electric these days and peroxide, but if you just add in with the overall price it does not seem so bad
OK now this is where I could go on about head weight in grms. CIC points etc. but we won't go into all that as you are a friend, and although we only met three hours ago, I do feel your are a friend.
No will just give you a special deal based on what you can afford to pay, now you will see why I was asking all those questions , so now have an idea what I can charge based on your circumstances thats plus fee for damaged carcase, outing fee we ran over the three hours a bit so will just round it up to a nice round figure, its easier counted that way add a wee bit on for the use of the rifle, oh don't forget the bullets.
Now I have a figure, it does not seem so very much! I do so want your morning to be memorable, I know double it
thats better.
Now every time you look at that trophy on the wall it will bring a tear to your eye, and I know you will never forget your morning stalk with me.
Now you know how we pro guides arrive at a price for trophy's.
Davie only taking the pxss, and not aimed at anyone in particular but just because we make a living from deer
we are targeted, just going by recent threads stalking charges, trophy fees, charging for carcase damage, use of estate rifles.
Its just a job like any other and we get by, however if I had any intentions of becoming well of, I am definitely in the wrong occupation
and so on, but just bare with me in an imaginary scenario,
Just imagine you have booked a morning stalk with me which will end with you shooting the buck in the photo.
OK you have arrived and we have made our introductions, so we go to the target, thats when you inform me that you have had some problems with you rifle, so I suggest using mine and thats agreeable, now I know that its illegal to charge you for the use of the estate rifle, so can't charge you directly but will manage to add a bit in with the other charges, you will probably never notice.
OK first shot at the target is perfect, but it might be a fluke, better take another one in fact take two, always think three shots on the target, gives you a good idea of how the client shoots, now by law I am allowed to charge for bullets, but always think its difficult asking the client, for bullet money as when they ask why so much you have to explain as a home loader its not just the components, but I need to charge you for my time, after all you don't expect me to work for nothing.
OK off we go expect outing to last around three hours, there are plenty animals about and we pass up some bucks that are not suitable for shooting, see a couple of good bucks but pretend I have not seen them, and hope that you don't, after all I would not want you to shoot a buck to soon, I want you to get the full value of your three hour outing.
Also my outing fee is based on an hourly rate and if you shot one in the first half hour or so my conscience might bother me and I might feel obliged to give you a refund, and as a self employed guide I can't really afford to do that.
Now from the time you have arrived I have been observing you, from the type of car you have to the clothes you ware, I have also been subtly questioning you on your employment and life style, the reason will become apparent later.
OK getting to wards the end of the stalk and I am ready for my breakfast which you have kindly offered to buy me
at near bye café.
Spot good suitable buck and make approach, of the sticks at broadside shot not quite 80 yards, GOOD SHOT RELOAD. blxxdy Hell Davie you have missed shoot again, ah thats better he's down ! bxxxer its a wee bit high you have nicked the spine, sorry and all that but I will need to charge you for the carcase, aye the gamedealer is paying a very good price at the moment.
Yes I will prepare the trophy for you no, no extra charge its in with the price, well there is really have you seen how much they charge for electric these days and peroxide, but if you just add in with the overall price it does not seem so bad
OK now this is where I could go on about head weight in grms. CIC points etc. but we won't go into all that as you are a friend, and although we only met three hours ago, I do feel your are a friend.
No will just give you a special deal based on what you can afford to pay, now you will see why I was asking all those questions , so now have an idea what I can charge based on your circumstances thats plus fee for damaged carcase, outing fee we ran over the three hours a bit so will just round it up to a nice round figure, its easier counted that way add a wee bit on for the use of the rifle, oh don't forget the bullets.
Now I have a figure, it does not seem so very much! I do so want your morning to be memorable, I know double it
thats better.
Now every time you look at that trophy on the wall it will bring a tear to your eye, and I know you will never forget your morning stalk with me.
Now you know how we pro guides arrive at a price for trophy's.
Davie only taking the pxss, and not aimed at anyone in particular but just because we make a living from deer
we are targeted, just going by recent threads stalking charges, trophy fees, charging for carcase damage, use of estate rifles.
Its just a job like any other and we get by, however if I had any intentions of becoming well of, I am definitely in the wrong occupation
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How much?
Your fuel+tyres, your B+B, your beer, your practice rounds,your insurance, your wear and tear on clothing + boots. The outing fee the price agreed on the menu as you booked, this is checked by me so you know before you take the shot, the breakfast and maybe the tip.
It pays MY bills,...truck depreciation,fuel+tyres, insurances, tax, accountant, bank charges(even when in credit and paying money IN,) my clothes and boots, and hopefuly some profit so I can spend a little on my house and family and what I choose to spend my money on.
WHY do we have to go on air and tell you what it would cost? that is agreed with clients before they book and shoot.
What would it cost me for 3 driving lessons for my nephew with your company?
When you know we are not going to book it, its got nowt to do with me. EXACTLY.
My price list is simple to understand and is sent out to every prespective client, they ask questions when they book. On arrival some will say a cull only, thats what i will try and preasent, if a six shows I will refer to the agreed price list and remind them of the cost.
Same charge for all domestic and foreign.
Your fuel+tyres, your B+B, your beer, your practice rounds,your insurance, your wear and tear on clothing + boots. The outing fee the price agreed on the menu as you booked, this is checked by me so you know before you take the shot, the breakfast and maybe the tip.
It pays MY bills,...truck depreciation,fuel+tyres, insurances, tax, accountant, bank charges(even when in credit and paying money IN,) my clothes and boots, and hopefuly some profit so I can spend a little on my house and family and what I choose to spend my money on.
WHY do we have to go on air and tell you what it would cost? that is agreed with clients before they book and shoot.
What would it cost me for 3 driving lessons for my nephew with your company?
When you know we are not going to book it, its got nowt to do with me. EXACTLY.
My price list is simple to understand and is sent out to every prespective client, they ask questions when they book. On arrival some will say a cull only, thats what i will try and preasent, if a six shows I will refer to the agreed price list and remind them of the cost.
Same charge for all domestic and foreign.
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probably get less flack there then on here for shooting to many culls or shooting further then "normal" off sticks.
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My latest girl friend knows I'm a pro stalker, well she's not actually my girl friend yet.
teyhan1
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I don't mind telling anybody what I charge.
I'll start by saying that your buck if shot with me would cost you £250 + any extras
What are extras? Well my best stalking grounds are not where I live. If you want the best experience I reckon 2-3 days stalking is about right. It gives you time to find animals especially if the weather is bad.
Now I don't earn my living from deer, and although it once made up a significant portion of my income it has all become too political and so I am taking a rest for a while. As a result I don't charge stalking fees becuse I don't need to. If you earn your wages from stalking then it is essential that you do charge stalking fees as you need to guarantee an income. Your trophy fees often go towards paying for your ground for the next year so they must be discounted from the equation.
Now if your coming with me the only extra that you really need to consider is accomodation. And in return for my no stalking fees policy i ask that you get a twin room as bunking in an XTrail for 3x nights doesn't leave me best suited for total concentration on getting you a buck.
For me that's it. Come for 1x day and shoot that buck it will cost you £250+£70 (accom)+ your fuel+ your food.
Having done it, if you go with a pro company, costs will probably be about the same +stalking fees+ cleaning your trophy+ tip ( if you ever want to see another animal) .
It's when you get into the medal bucks that costs can really start to soar.
Prices for medals vary considerably, so you must always be aware of all costs before you go stalking.
Some people think that medals shouldn't be charged for. Of course you should charge for medals. That's like saying that a Ferrari should cost the same as a Kia. They both still get you to where you are going. The big difference with a medal is that often some younger animals maybe saved and brought on but you have to remember that the farmer will still want his money and you still have to stay in business long enough to shoot it. And good medals that come with good ground doesn't grow on trees.
I don't envy anyone trying to make their livng solely from deer. There are massive overheads, crappy hours, terrible clients, no money, etc etc. Just wating to sell my house at the moment and then I'm going back into it again.
OH, a world of pain awaits
I'll start by saying that your buck if shot with me would cost you £250 + any extras
What are extras? Well my best stalking grounds are not where I live. If you want the best experience I reckon 2-3 days stalking is about right. It gives you time to find animals especially if the weather is bad.
Now I don't earn my living from deer, and although it once made up a significant portion of my income it has all become too political and so I am taking a rest for a while. As a result I don't charge stalking fees becuse I don't need to. If you earn your wages from stalking then it is essential that you do charge stalking fees as you need to guarantee an income. Your trophy fees often go towards paying for your ground for the next year so they must be discounted from the equation.
Now if your coming with me the only extra that you really need to consider is accomodation. And in return for my no stalking fees policy i ask that you get a twin room as bunking in an XTrail for 3x nights doesn't leave me best suited for total concentration on getting you a buck.
For me that's it. Come for 1x day and shoot that buck it will cost you £250+£70 (accom)+ your fuel+ your food.
Having done it, if you go with a pro company, costs will probably be about the same +stalking fees+ cleaning your trophy+ tip ( if you ever want to see another animal
) . It's when you get into the medal bucks that costs can really start to soar.
Prices for medals vary considerably, so you must always be aware of all costs before you go stalking.
Some people think that medals shouldn't be charged for. Of course you should charge for medals. That's like saying that a Ferrari should cost the same as a Kia. They both still get you to where you are going. The big difference with a medal is that often some younger animals maybe saved and brought on but you have to remember that the farmer will still want his money and you still have to stay in business long enough to shoot it. And good medals that come with good ground doesn't grow on trees.
I don't envy anyone trying to make their livng solely from deer. There are massive overheads, crappy hours, terrible clients, no money, etc etc. Just wating to sell my house at the moment and then I'm going back into it again.
OH, a world of pain awaits
6pointer
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John you are running round in circles here what other type of job if any one asked would you rime off a list and end it with before you pull the trigger you would know. Now this was not aimed at you in any way and i thank you for joining the post it was to pro stalkers.?
Now what is wrong with the question what is the charge ?. I don't care what your petrol costs you coffee sugar or condoms or what ever mate keep your workings to your self. To come out and shoot a buck must have a price one stalk one kill average six point buck. The same as in in the picture ps i put it there so that you could judge for you self. Ps i do think its hard for a novice to work out and pay for if he might be hit with extras that are excessive.
Simple if i take any one out on my ground for a buck they pay me £60 there are no hidden extras but you might be asked to eat lorraine's cooking but will not get a discount for doing so.
Now what is wrong with the question what is the charge ?. I don't care what your petrol costs you coffee sugar or condoms or what ever mate keep your workings to your self. To come out and shoot a buck must have a price one stalk one kill average six point buck. The same as in in the picture ps i put it there so that you could judge for you self. Ps i do think its hard for a novice to work out and pay for if he might be hit with extras that are excessive.
Simple if i take any one out on my ground for a buck they pay me £60 there are no hidden extras but you might be asked to eat lorraine's cooking but will not get a discount for doing so.
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andibrains
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Surely you would want to charge more than that 6p. Judging by your timely reminders, in the form of numerous polls, all of your shooting is the 'peri-urban'??? type and requires a special skill set, which you excel at, that the rest of us mere mortals could never hope to possess??
6pointer
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Now Brains why would i want to charge more if i am happy with the price i get. You being a very new chap to stalking will not yet appreciate the finer points or the science involved. With regards special skills in controlling our urban friends that comes with the territory and many many year experience. I hope you get to do similar work when you have enough years behind you.Andi do you pay for your stalking and may i ask how much.
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