Importing expanding missiles from abroad - BASC clarify position
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HotDogsForTea
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I see where your coming from 8x57, but, Since you pulled me up on it i shall refer to " sec 5 bullets " as you call them, by their legal term as defined by sec 5 (2) of the firearms act 1968, PROHIBITED Ammuntion.
( tho if i am wrong please correct me and i'll change the smiley to 
).Cheers,
FATTY.
Paul at Fechan
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I don't believe there is the clarity in written law to make it an offence for someone to recieve such items, they would only become controlled once accepted by the certificate holder as written specifics for such circumstances were never written into law as I see it?Just to put the cat amongst the pigeons,
Courier delivers package to fac holders home address. Fac holder is not at home but the wife or others at the address sign for the delivery, Happy Days.
Would they then be in illegal possession of sec 5 ammo ( unknowingly, maybe,) and also that sec 5 ammo is not secure until you come home and put it in your cabinet, ( have you then broke the conditions on your f.a.c, re safe custody, as the ammunition is no longer in transit?)
Can Anyone clarify?
Fatty.
Cheers,
oh edit!
can anyone remember the story about the rifle that was misdelivered to a private address and left round the back of a non shooters house who just handed it in to the police or something like that?
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if its 250-500 gbp for a export licence whats going to be the savings on bullets? none. if you import 100'000 and are a dealer an import licence that lasts 12 mts may cover your costs and you may save money. but if you only want 1000 im not going to save any money on importing my own if i had to get an import licence.
8x57
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I see where your coming from 8x57, but, Since you pulled me up on it i shall refer to " sec 5 bullets " as you call them, by their legal term as defined by sec 5 (2) of the firearms act 1968, PROHIBITED Ammuntion.
Cheers,
FATTY.
Just trying to save confusion as some could assume that it will now become acceptable to post ammunition or at least recive ammunition from abroad.
Paul at Fechan
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Is it possible cliff's has a license to export reloading components including bullets?
auquhollie
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Could work but if they need entered on your cert it could be tricky. Would mean all partys involved going to the post office and having the amounts they bought put on there certs. I guess if it is target then there wouldnt be an issue. MAybe worth looking into though ?
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jon2
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That's what I was thinking too. Although there is something at the back of my mind which says that each bullet type needs a separate export license. As I say it is something which is at the back of my mind but perhaps someone in the know can shed more light on that?
Lets asume that Cliffs has an export licence, if I read the regulation correctly it is legal to import expanding bullets to your door and as long as they are for your own personal use it is up to you to make them legal once in your possesion.
The company I purchased my 338-06 barrel from in the USA sent it by overland mail and Parcel Force delivered it, then it was up to me to make it legal.
The company I purchased my 338-06 barrel from in the USA sent it by overland mail and Parcel Force delivered it, then it was up to me to make it legal.
Paul at Fechan
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surely as an international business then cliff's must be above board with exports or he'd be in jail by now so I'm ordering stuff tonight... job done
Lads.
When you consider the Cash we spend on our Stalking, does the few pounds saved by doing this make it worth any possible grief you may get?
The thought of US Homeland Security getting my details is not a happy one. These people bring a whole new meaning to Paranoia. They are particularly noted for having absolutely no sense of Humour at all.
I really hope i am wrong and would welcome being shot down by someone. I will stick to Hannams.
As i said in my earlier thread, i do not want to make any trips to the US stressful
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Yorkie.
When you consider the Cash we spend on our Stalking, does the few pounds saved by doing this make it worth any possible grief you may get?
The thought of US Homeland Security getting my details is not a happy one. These people bring a whole new meaning to Paranoia. They are particularly noted for having absolutely no sense of Humour at all.
I really hope i am wrong and would welcome being shot down by someone. I will stick to Hannams.
As i said in my earlier thread, i do not want to make any trips to the US stressful
.Yorkie.
Please correct me if i am wrong but al4x1 says Royal Mail delivered his last lot of imported bullets, if his order did indeed consist of Sec. 5 expanding bullets, then did Royal mail as a non approved carrier unwittingly and illegally transport Section 5 projectiles?
Ian.
Ian.
Paul at Fechan
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no because it entered the postal system from outside the uk and there is no provision to restrict such carriage in those circumstances
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Actually there is a requirement to restrict regardless of origin and Royal Mail aren't authorised to carry.
The category of firearm is the issue and it needs a home office authority to carry and as soon as it hits uk postal services it shouldn't be shipped by Royal Mail.
Correct unlike Paul. The law is the law with firearms despite what waiver we have on import licenses.
timbrayford
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There is obviously a lot of confusion regarding what is the precise legal standing of S5 bullets, is the BASC currently in discussion with ACPO & the HO to get "expandable missiles" removed from S5? I seem to recall that Adrian Whiting from ACPO (?) saying that these controls served no useful purpose but gave the police a lot of extra work. atb Tim
Uncle Norm
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Matt Perring is absolutely correct. The confusion seems to arise from the fact that component parts are not classed as ammunition until fully assembled into the complete cartridge. However this is not the case where expanding missiles (bullets) are concerned. The S5 prohibition on expanding ammunition specifically includes expanding missiles themselves. It follows that expanding missiles (bullets) are themselves prohibited ammunition. They do not require to be assembled into a cartridge to become 'ammunition'.
Timbrayford is also correct. It has been ACPO's view, for many years, that the prohibition of expanding ammunition serves no useful purpose.
The prohibition has it's origins with the dreadful murders in Dunblane, when Hamilton used expanding ammunition in his pistols to kill the children and their teacher.
Our military members will know, far better that I, how deadly fully jacketed ammunition is. The prohibition makes no sense however much of the firearms legislation is in need of revision.
Timbrayford is also correct. It has been ACPO's view, for many years, that the prohibition of expanding ammunition serves no useful purpose.
The prohibition has it's origins with the dreadful murders in Dunblane, when Hamilton used expanding ammunition in his pistols to kill the children and their teacher.
Our military members will know, far better that I, how deadly fully jacketed ammunition is. The prohibition makes no sense however much of the firearms legislation is in need of revision.
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