further training after dsc2...

[Lovatscout]

i just wonderd if any of you had done any further training or learning after dsc2?
i did my carcase handling and the lantra game meat hygeine but i did read somewhere a while back lantra were tryign to run some more courses and learning.did anyone take these up or know of any further recognised learning there is out there??
cheers in anticipation
scout

 

[finnbear270]

Someone on here started a thread around the question you pose,I haven't seen any more on it, might have a look thru later see if I can find it, that's if someone else doesn't come up with it first.

 

[willie_gunn]

I think you're referring to the Deer Manager's Course? BDS run one and Jelen is just starting one up as well.

willie_gunn

 

[hottopic]

What the hell do you want more training for? Once you have done a level 2 that should be all you need.

Try a dogs for deer course that is the way forward to have a reliable tracking dog.
NGO Deer Branch | Introduction to tracking deer with dogs

 

[Jelendeer]

Hi Lovatscout,

We are running our new season of Advanced Deer Management Courses commencing in March at our Hampshire Training Centre.

Our course, which has been over three years in development, is set to be the UK's most useful training resource for those looking to further their knowledge in wild, park and farmed deer management.

This LANTRA APPROVED course is delivered by some of the UK's foremost deer managers - working as professionals in their own right, in some of the country's most parks and sporting estates.

Click on the link below:

LANTRA APPROVED ADVANCED DEER MANAGEMENT COURSE

Or please EMAIL ME for full details on mike.allison@jelendeer.com

Best regards,

Mike


Mike Allison
(Director - Jelen Deer Services)

 

[cookingfat]

Hi Lovatscout,

We are running our new season of Advanced Deer Management Courses commencing in March at our Hampshire Training Centre.

Our course, which has been over three years in development, is set to be the UK's most useful training resource for those looking to further their knowledge in wild, park and farmed deer management.

This LANTRA APPROVED course is delivered by some of the UK's foremost deer managers - working as professionals in their own right, in some of the country's most parks and sporting estates.

Click on the link below:

LANTRA APPROVED ADVANCED DEER MANAGEMENT COURSE

Or please EMAIL ME for full details on mike.allison@jelendeer.com

Best regards,

Mike


Mike Allison
(Director - Jelen Deer Services)

Hi Mike,

can i ask who is doing the dogs for deer bit in your deer management course as i thought the section they did in the BDS course was very poor,

or do you to think there is no need for a deadicated deer dog in deer management,

if this is the case you should ceck out my thread in dogs for deer on this site

i could not see any info on your site

Regards Tony

 

[hottopic]

Mike,

I think you mean Lantra Awards? Lantra who are a non profit government quango do not approve courses they only set standards Lantra Awards are there profit making wing and will approve any bespoke course for a fee if it meets criteria set out by the National Occupational Standards.

The BDS deer management course will have the same legal standing.

 

[Erik Hamburger]

I suggest you have a look at the LANTRA Center-fire/Fox control Level 2 course - I did mine between the DCS1 and DSC2 - lots of things you learn on this course are useful for deer stalkers as well - it has also helped me getting permissions. It was almost a bridge too far for me - the first time I failed on firearms safety, marksmanship and the night lamping assessment. However was given the opportunity for a re-assessment and got through this time - just.
Lantra Awards | Fox Control (Centre Fire Rifle): Safety, Theory and Practice - Level 2

Bizarrely there doesn't seem to be a 'Level 1' option - this course is targeted at people who work professionally in conservation and for big estates in game-keeping.

No sarcastic comments please from those who are 'against' any form of training or qualifications - any positive or constructive comments are of course welcome.

 

[hottopic]

Lantra Awards not Lantra - it even says it in the title.

I have done that one as well and found it fairly useful - we had to do it on the estate for HSE.

 

[Jelendeer]

Mike,

I think you mean Lantra Awards? Lantra who are a non profit government quango do not approve courses they only set standards Lantra Awards are there profit making wing and will approve any bespoke course for a fee if it meets criteria set out by the National Occupational Standards.

The BDS deer management course will have the same legal standing.

Yep,

My apologies, you are correct it is Lantra Awards.

Regards,

Mike.

 

[OSS32]

Mike,

Didn't think your course was post DSC 2?

Thought it was "some stalking experience would be an advantage"... Might be wrong- can't knock further training. Wouldn't want to misquote you, sorry if I have.

 

[trimix]

Hi Lovatscout,

We are running our new season of Advanced Deer Management Courses commencing in March at our Hampshire Training Centre.

Our course, which has been over three years in development, is set to be the UK's most useful training resource for those looking to further their knowledge in wild, park and farmed deer management.

This LANTRA APPROVED course is delivered by some of the UK's foremost deer managers - working as professionals in their own right, in some of the country's most parks and sporting estates.

Click on the link below:

LANTRA APPROVED ADVANCED DEER MANAGEMENT COURSE

Or please EMAIL ME for full details on mike.allison@jelendeer.com

Best regards,

Mike


Mike Allison
(Director - Jelen Deer Services)

Well Mike

I think the statement "set to be the UK's most useful training resource" is a bit without evidential material to say the very least.

Others provide this training eg BDS (and to a very standard ) and they may well ask you to advise how you justify this statement???


Regards

Trimix

 

[OSS32]

Mike,

Didn't think your course was post DSC 2?

Thought it was "some stalking experience would be an advantage"... Might be wrong- can't knock further training. Wouldn't want to misquote you, sorry if I have.

Apologies got it wrong,

Available: Deer Managers Course - JELEN DEER SERVICES - Page 6

Posts #53 and #54

"Finally, whilst DSC1 & 2 are good to have, they are not prerequisites for this course. However, experience in deer stalking would be a distinct advantage."

A distinct advantage... Certainly for the "Advanced deer managers course" I would expect you are right. Some experience of deer management would be a distinct advantage.

What's next... Advanced aerobatics course, whilst being able to fly is not a prequiste - having seen a plane before would be a distinct advantage?

 

[rarms]

Mike,

I think you mean Lantra Awards? Lantra who are a non profit government quango do not approve courses they only set standards Lantra Awards are there profit making wing and will approve any bespoke course for a fee if it meets criteria set out by the National Occupational Standards.

The BDS deer management course will have the same legal standing.

Is that right?

 

[OSS32]

Is that right?

Technically yes, as long as the course meets certain teaching standards then it will be approved for a fee. This course has NOT been approved under the name "advanced Deer managers course", but again that is a technicality.

The BDS course has the advantage of being recognised by the industry and certain elements in the FC. Also the content has been around for a while and the intructors are recognised experts in thier individual areas. Also the DMQ's are a prerequisite meaning over the five days you are building on an established base.

Both courses would likely benefit from some external verification of the content by an awarding body (I.e. an approved qualification rather than course). The best method to do this would be to instigate an NVQ level for them. The problem is that when you move to the next level up from DSC 2 you really need to be taught individual elements by EXPERTS in thier respective fields. Just adding a load of gloss over content does no one any good.

To teach a level more advanced than the DMQ's in three days with home study (and fit in a day of testing) is a huge ask.

Mike's been pretty cagey about his experts, but I would be unhappy paying to be taught a couple of hours of first aid by a trained first aider? You'd be much better getting a course from the red cross or similar, or getting a serious medic to teach some. Just my thoughts