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bobjs
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hi taff
very true, i was just making the point that when ammo is made is vast quantities you will have issues, i am happy to say that i have only had one bad hmr round in well over 10,000 shots fired in all my 5 rifles over the years.
sad to have to sell mine but when needs must..................................must is what you have to do
bob.
If and when I get to shoot 10000 rounds on any gun I would expect some 'bad' rounds. This is why I always carry a rod with me. Applying common sense and using the rod to get rid of the round that is stuck in the barrel (if it ever happens, this is not a certainty) will easily solve the problem. I bought remmington rounds, on the recommendation of my firearms dealer. It was the cheapest of the rounds he sold, and he reccomended them to me for consistency and performance with my particular rifle. The point I am trying to make is that for some reason there is a very vocal community of people who despise the .17hmr and present it as the source of all evil. It is not, that I am able to decipher myself, irrespective of whether I have shot 100 or 10000 rounds.
limulus
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Yes in the .22lr
I think the 17 would be better if they made subsonics for them, as I find them to noisy for squirrels, as to splitting cases I have only been out with two people shooting the 17 HMR and both had to go to get a rod to unblock the barrel, one on a range day the other rabbit shooting, never had this problem with my 22.
bob sorry you have to sell your guns, hopefully in the future things may change.
bob sorry you have to sell your guns, hopefully in the future things may change.
fox slayer
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Thaks for your post guys ,point tacken on board cheers
The deer man
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+ 1, totally agree. Had one duff round out of thousands over the last seven years with my CZ Varmint .17 HMR. I now use Winchester Supreme and they are consistent and accurate in an agricultural workhorse rifle that's hard to beat.
Over to the whinging grumpy squad . . .
Hornet 6
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A subsonic 17 at 1050fps and a 17 grain bullet = 42 ft/lb of energy and with a 50 yard zero would be over 7 inches low at 100 yards.
Neil.
i have an annie 1517 and ive never had any problems with it , its very accurate and crows and head shot rabbits out to a fair distance are no problem , maybe ive been lucky but have had no problems with dud rounds or split brass ,dont think its fair to compare a hmr with a 17 rem surely there uses are quite different most off the time
bewsher500
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I don't despise it, I have one, I also have a .17M2. It suffers none of the same problems. I also have a WMR, which just works and things fall over.
But I am sorry as much as there may be a vocal community of "nay sayers" there is also a vocal community of stalwarts that almost refuse to accept there is an inherent problem with the ammunition just because they haven't seen one yet.
That's great and I am glad for you, too many people have been moderately hurt and had rifles damaged for it to be a laughing matter.
Name me one single other cartridge where carrying a rod with you at all times is requirement and the chance of a squib and blocked barrel, an expectation!?
Why limit yourself in bullet weight,power and range...get a .22 Hornet.
I doubt any feo would approve an hmr and refuse a Hornet if it's a land issue.
fraser
I doubt any feo would approve an hmr and refuse a Hornet if it's a land issue.
fraser
Your findings are interesting as they are the opposite of mine.
I have had three HMRs since 2004 and never experienced a misfire, hangfire or dud.
I have in 17Mach2 though, where the head split and destroyed the magazine and burnt my forearm.
17Mach2 ccuracy was on par with HMR, though as it was just as loud and didn't kill so convincingly as it had 60 yards less effective range, I couldn't see the point of it so sold it on.
The one benefit it did have was cheaper ammo, but when Eley stopped making that I could only find the Hornady ammo which was only a couple of pounds per box cheaper.
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soother223
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both my mate & i bought 17 hmrs pretty much when they were first launched, i bought a ruger & he got an annie.
both were really acurate & reliable then a few years later we started to suffer with the same problem that everyone else has! my groups went from the size of a 2p coin to the size of a tennis ball!!
i got rid of mine! my friend still has his & i haven't seen him use it for over three years now!
my FEO visited me earlier on this year & the subject of the HMR popped up! he told me a story of a guy who had just bought one as his first rifle, on his very first outting a dudd round left one stuck up the barrel & due to his inexperiance he neglected to check an chambered another round... all he said was that it was fortunate that the guy wore glasses!!!
glad mine has gone!
both were really acurate & reliable then a few years later we started to suffer with the same problem that everyone else has! my groups went from the size of a 2p coin to the size of a tennis ball!!
i got rid of mine! my friend still has his & i haven't seen him use it for over three years now!
my FEO visited me earlier on this year & the subject of the HMR popped up! he told me a story of a guy who had just bought one as his first rifle, on his very first outting a dudd round left one stuck up the barrel & due to his inexperiance he neglected to check an chambered another round... all he said was that it was fortunate that the guy wore glasses!!!
glad mine has gone!
The deer man
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I don't believe anyone denies there's a problem with some 17HMR ammo, you'd be a fool not to. There is or has been, and time will tell, a serious problem most probably in certain product batches which may take some time to filter out and hopefully without further serious incident.
We all need to proceed with caution when using Remington, CCI and Hornady. It would be a real shame for the rifles in this calibre to disappear because of one factory's serious product incompetence.
From my perspective and the many others around here who have changed to the .17HMR for serious vermin control I for one would like to see this calibre survive. I use a .22 as well but differently to the .17 and find they both have their special place.
For that reason I have changed ammunition, as previously posted, to Winchester Supreme and so far so good! I hope no one has had problems with this manufacturer? Please let me know!
There's one sure way of focusing a manufacturers mind to resolve a problem and that is to buy of their competitor!
What do you call long range rabbits? I shoot out to 160 yds with my HMR all the time and 180 if its dead still: that is the drawback with the HMR. Wind deflection is minimal out to 100 yds, much better than a .22lr, but past 150 when its shed a lot of velocity it becomes a pain. I tend to think of the HMR as a 160 yd rifle and if I'm expecting to shoot much further I take the .222.
Don't rate the HMR at all for foxes unless head shooting under 100 yds. You're better off with a Hornet or WMR. The triple, needless to say, is excellent to well past 300.
So it you're shooting at a working max of 150 yds the HMR is an excellent rabbit rifle unless you ground is very windy. But forget foxes inless one bumbles past you at 50 yds. If you want a 200 yd point and shoot rabbit rifle and full fox capabilty get a CF. Which one is a whole new thread, but I am more than happy with my triple.
Ammo wise, I've had about 3 complete non-fires out of 2500 rounds shooting Winchester Supreme and no dangerous partial dischsrges at all (touch wood). Found Winchester very consistant and by far the best in my HM60j. Got loads of no-shows when I was trying Hornadys.
bewsher500
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Unfortunately there are plenty of people in the "it hasn't happened to me therefore it doesn't exist" camp.
I don't really care if they are all made in the same factory by the same bloke or whether they all make their own brands
This is by no means exhaustive but EVERY manufacturer has demonstrated issues:
Including Winchester!
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Au0f-ch1y3-2dGZuR01jaC02U0UtR2hsc3FQSjZLM3c#gid=0
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