Sauer out the box accuracy (not )
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Watch this:
First Look: Sauer 101 at the 2013 NRA Show - Guns Ammo
I've seen it somewhere else too but can't find it now.
Hairtrigger 202
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I have a sauer 202 in .243, wont shoot a **** with factory ammo and tried lots of them, best group 2.5 inch but with my home loads 3/4 inch groups at 100 yards 
Got to laugh, I've opened up this months sporting rifle and what dropped out, but a sauer flier advertising the new 101. On one of the quotes it says " 5 shots in 1.5 inch at 200 meters with 7 mm rem mag ".........how many would they sell if the quote read " 5 shot in 5inch group at 200 meters"
Maybe the cheaper they are the smaller the group.
Maybe the cheaper they are the smaller the group.
Any rifle with a good scope these days should easily get 1" groups with ammo that suits. If I owned a rifle that wouldn't shoot sub 1" inch I would get rid of. A mate of mine who was into accuracy was speaking about his 243 ackley (I had seen a target he shot at 500 yards and all 10 shots were in a group about 1.5") he said to me at a later date "I think its shot out" so I said "why?" he replied "the group size has opened up to .5".
If I had a problem like yours I would be saying that I was not happy with the performance of the rifle and consider it not fit for purpose. I would be asking the manufacturers to prove that it has an acceptable degree of accuracy. The thing is, the degree of accuracy needs to be decided. As a few on here has said a 1" group seems to be the acceptable norm. I would therefore ask them to prove it will perform to that standard
If I had a problem like yours I would be saying that I was not happy with the performance of the rifle and consider it not fit for purpose. I would be asking the manufacturers to prove that it has an acceptable degree of accuracy. The thing is, the degree of accuracy needs to be decided. As a few on here has said a 1" group seems to be the acceptable norm. I would therefore ask them to prove it will perform to that standard
William Grant
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+1 get a Blaser mate.
no dont waste your money
i very simple solution to the problem here , flog the rifle , then find a second hand ruger m77 mk2 for about £250-300 will shoot 5 rounds in 20p bit @ 100 yds .(mine does)
with the change of £6200 have a nice trip to south afrca and shoot a monster kudu !
no dont waste your money
i very simple solution to the problem here , flog the rifle , then find a second hand ruger m77 mk2 for about £250-300 will shoot 5 rounds in 20p bit @ 100 yds .(mine does)
with the change of £6200 have a nice trip to south afrca and shoot a monster kudu !
thing is - we could all go out and buy Parker hales that would most likely shoot under 1 moa at 100 yards and the rifle would be mechanically adequate - but it'll never be the smooth functioning, aesthetically pleasing and hard wearing engineering accomplishment that the sauer/blaser will be...
as I said before - something is amiss here and I think sauer themselves would be very interested to know as there's no way they would be happy with one of their rifles performing like this.
some people want a functioning tool - others want more than this - no matter how you cut it there will always be different levels of craftsmanship in all products - and despite what some may say - sauer/blaser etc are at the top of their game.
this is not a slur on tikka/sako etc (I own one) but it'll never win a game of top trumps against the Germans...
regards,
Gixer
Dawnraider
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I had a .243 elegance and whilst the accuracy was nothing outstanding with 100gn factory ammo at around 40mm at best it did shoot lighter 85 and 75gn homeloads to around an inch,one thing it did seem to get better as the barrel run in,2 1/2 inches is not right your mate sounds like he's got a lemon and I would ask for my money back if it was me pronto.
Paul at Fechan
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the poor poor misguided souls....
Am I missing something here, but I can't see anything about trying to see if the RIFLE is shooting a group.
Try the RIFLE on it's own at 25 metres and extrapolate that.
What I think is being done until now is that the mounted scope and rifle are not performing so there are three units in doubt, not one. (excluding ammo).
Start with the rifle.
Stan
Try the RIFLE on it's own at 25 metres and extrapolate that.
What I think is being done until now is that the mounted scope and rifle are not performing so there are three units in doubt, not one. (excluding ammo).
Start with the rifle.
Stan
stalker.308
Well-Known Member
Absolutely
Email: harald.niess@sauer.deHe is in charge of the British Sauer Market and is a direct link at Sauer.
When I had appalling customer service from the UK importer, I went above them to Sauer and within days my sauer action was actually in Germany actually being repaired instead of being played with!
Good luck and as I have said before I will never buy another Sauer until the UK importer changes.
OK, so sounds unlikely to be the scope.
That still leaves stock screws (one in the front end of the fore end and one under the action from memory) to check and tighten (suggest stripping the action out and making sure there's no foreign material stopping it bedding properly or getting in contact with the barrel).
AND, there's the mounts - just 'cos Garlands fitted them does not mean they're not the problem - had a Blaser come to me once that would not shoot for toffee, all supposedly set up properly but when checked found that the mounts were lose due to not being correctly adjusted, adjusted and re-fitted and all was well (except it was still a Blaser...
).You don't say what the mounts are, but even the most expensive such as Apel will be 'carp' if not set up and adjusted properly, especially if they're the swing off or quick detach type that use a cam to lock them in tight.
Hope you get tot he bottom of it quickly as no-one likes a rifle that won't do what it should.
Cheers.
Correct. There is an art to setting these up and as a steer I would say that if the sprung breechblock lever snaps fully closed when sliding scope into dock its too slack. Far better that your are required to fully close with a little thumb pressure. Of course this interference fit is determined by adjustment of the opposing elliptical rod but not before you’ve wound out the locking screw!
You could of course save yourself the hassle and some £200 and get a decent set of fixed mounts & projectionless rings from CONETROL!
Not sure they do them for ancient rook rifles though ...............................
Cheers
K
I can't believe that you are even debating the subject.
£6500 for a factory rifle and it isn't fit for purpose, what is there to discuss?
Get it back to the shop and get your money back.
If I was looking to spend £6500 on a rifle Callum Fergerson would be getting my money. Nothing wrong with factory rifles mind you, a high spec Sako is very nice and it would be a third of the money for a considerably better rifle (better than the Sour, not better than the PRS).
£6500 for a factory rifle and it isn't fit for purpose, what is there to discuss?
Get it back to the shop and get your money back.
If I was looking to spend £6500 on a rifle Callum Fergerson would be getting my money. Nothing wrong with factory rifles mind you, a high spec Sako is very nice and it would be a third of the money for a considerably better rifle (better than the Sour, not better than the PRS).
Update, garlands have said they will replace the barrel if its proven by independent gunsmith.
Im thinking this is still a **** poor excuse of an offer. Garlands if your reading this pull your finger out and sort this out and try and save some face as a credible company to deal with..............
Im thinking this is still a **** poor excuse of an offer. Garlands if your reading this pull your finger out and sort this out and try and save some face as a credible company to deal with..............
stalker.308
Well-Known Member
And if the independent gunsmith proves it they will pay for his costs too?
Clearly they did not believe their own testing of the rifle which is **** poor.
Whatever offer the importers come up with I doubt if your mate will have confidence in the rifle in the long term, even if it gets sorted and he is happy for a while he will end up moving it on in due course and losing a heap of money.
I would urge him to get a full refund now while he can.
I would urge him to get a full refund now while he can.
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