Available: Why you should choose Jelen for your DSC1 training!!

[User00047]

Funny how the only people with complaints about the Jelen courses are the people who've never been on a course run by them.
If I was looking to take a DSC1 course I would choose Jelen over the other providers because my time away from work is valuable to me- it's the same bit of paper in 3 days which would otherwise take 5 days.
A class of 6-12 students each have much more of the tutors time and attention- if one student is struggling on a particular subject, he is much more likely to receive the required support than if he were in a class of 18-30 students.

 

[I. Farticus]

Retaking an element means that the candidate has a second opportunity to pass the overall qualification.

It doesn't mean that they've failed DSC1, it means that they failed the shooting testing (as an example) and can come back at a further date to retake just that element...

Jelen are obviously proud of the 2013 pass rate and are using that in their marketing - Tikka talk about sub 1" MOA in their rifles when they leave the factory, and I don't hear anyone moaning about that!

We all talk about the great shots we've made, or a really good stalk, so what's the difference...?

 

[Greymaster]

Funny how the only people with complaints about the Jelen courses are the people who've never been on a course run by them.

Well said!

 

[Greymaster]

As for the quality of the video at the top of this thread. I don't see a problem with it. I also don't see any other videos from other providers of DSC1 training. However, I guess it would be equally as reasonable for those videos to be critiqued without seeing them as it would be for those who critique the Jelen approach who have never attended their training.

 

[al4x1]

Funny how the only people with complaints about the Jelen courses are the people who've never been on a course run by them.
If I was looking to take a DSC1 course I would choose Jelen over the other providers because my time away from work is valuable to me- it's the same bit of paper in 3 days which would otherwise take 5 days.
A class of 6-12 students each have much more of the tutors time and attention- if one student is struggling on a particular subject, he is much more likely to receive the required support than if he were in a class of 18-30 students.

thats the way I saw it, being self employed I don't have the option of a weeks course but a weekend one fitted the bill. You accept you do a load of the learning before even arriving but you still learn it. As pointed out you could probably turn up on the day and pass but it was reassurng to go over things and make sure you knew it and brushed up on bits you were weak on. Then the BASC guy turned up with the papers and to do the exam parts and job done.
I can't see how people can want to have a dig that much that they ignore the fact Jelen aren't doing the marking just getting the candidates to the required level to pass.

 

[Win Mod 70]

It appears to me that the basis of some of the arguments / discussion is an attack on the business model that Jelen have adopted with some of their courses. With the thought that somehow a shorter course is not value for money and that there must be a catch somewhere and that people are being had over. From experience different course formats will suit different people. You will always have the individuals who are he turn up a teach me what I need to know types and those that are prepared to do all the preparation in their own time and are happy to just turn up and be tested. In fact in the case of the DSC 1 most organisations now offer an assessment only option. There was a time when people looked down on a degree from the Open University whereas now they are held in high regard as obtaining one has usually been done alongside a full time job and often the competing demands of a family. As opposed to one obtained following two or three on the p@&* raking up a huge debt.
In my case I did my DS1 10 years ago with BDS. Three days away, B&B in a country pub with like-minded individuals what could be better. I was very new to deer stalking, had only shot two Muntjac and had my rifle for about 4 months. That format of course suited me at that time. I am doing the Advanced Deer Management Course with Jelen later this year. I have been looking at doing this course for the last couple of years however the format of the other courses around just don’t suit me. Yes a week away would be nice but then add the cost of the course, B&B for five nights, food and drink for five nights and a daunting recommended pre read list of books and publications. It’s not my place to explain the format the Jelen course you can talk it through with Mike if you want to. But from my perspective the pre course preparation as directed by Mike has been excellent. The attractive price is obviously an issue but more so is that the three day course means I only need to take one day off work (as its held over a long weekend). This has the knock on of only 3 nights B&B, food and beer money. It suits me and my circumstances now.
Now if having done the course I don’t feel that it was as advertised and Mike doesn’t deal with any issues I raise satisfactorily it could be argued that I would be qualified to have a pop about the course the way its organised and run, the quality of the instruction and the overall value for money. But until then…..

 

[R8 user]

We all talk about the great shots we've made, or a really good stalk, so what's the difference...?[/QUOTE]

People always get queer when someone is making money from something their not running/ part of or have previously paid more to do themselves.

 

[devon deer stalker]

[/QUOTE]
People always get queer when someone is making money from something their not running/ part of or have previously paid more to do themselves.[/QUOTE]

And there we have it, hit the nail on the proverbial head, what you can't take away from Jelen is marketing, they are very, very good at it, and finally they have provided a lot of informative videos on here and youtube to assist deer stalkers.
Cheers
Richard

 

[Klenchblaize]

Not taking this off track but with one comment firmly in mind, who amongst us that fully prepared for DSC1 does not believe they might have walked into a classroom in the morning; sat the written test; done the visuals etc; headed off to the range after lunch and been driving back up the private Sussex drive by 16:00hrs with a pass?

 

[pheasant sniper 1]

I dont think Mike would include me in any click of people that have a pop at Jelen.

Complimentary on his training videos i have an opinion of my own and do not belong to any kiss ass groups or clicks on SD.

My post was not a direct attack on Jelen but an overall opinion with regards to the ever growing popularity in cheaper shorter courses with higher pass rates..

Sorry some of you feel the need to exagetate BDS course attendance i believe there were 11 or 12 on my course.

Ooodles of affection

Terry

 

[Jelendeer]

Hi everyone,

Many thanks for your kind comments and support.

Best regards,

Mike.

Mike Allison
​Managing Director - Jelen Deer Services

 

[ferretmanabu]

Not taking this off track but with one comment firmly in mind, who amongst us that fully prepared for DSC1 does not believe they might have walked into a classroom in the morning; sat the written test; done the visuals etc; headed off to the range after lunch and been driving back up the private Sussex drive by 16:00hrs with a pass?

Agree entirely. The written components can easily be passed by reading the manual without any classroom teaching. The questions in the test are all taken from the same bank in the back of the manual after all. The shooting test is not difficult.

Jelen are offering an option for people who don't want to do the course over two weekends or take more time off from work/family and the people likely to take up this choice are those who are comfortable with a shorter course.
Competition in the market place is usually good for the consumer.

 

[see it shoot it]

Not taking this off track but with one comment firmly in mind, who amongst us that fully prepared for DSC1 does not believe they might have walked into a classroom in the morning; sat the written test; done the visuals etc; headed off to the range after lunch and been driving back up the private Sussex drive by 16:00hrs with a pass?

I did in 5th Nov 2001 for the princely sum of £105 (registration and test fees),not a Sussex drive though,Iam sure the test is exactly the same format today.just do your homework first

 

[Klenchblaize]

For clarity please I do not seek to decry the very informative and helpful experience to be enjoyed if submitting to a 3 or 4 day course whoever such might be under the tutelage of.

K

 

[howa243]

Personally I have not got DSC1, but if I wanted it, I would try and find the cheapest and shortest route, not the 'best'.

 

[Jelendeer]

Personally I have not got DSC1, but if I wanted it, I would try and find the cheapest and shortest route, not the 'best'.

I dont doubt for a second that some people are simply price-driven, whatever the quality. BUT I would bet that MOST people - even in the middle of our global recession - bought on value and quality of service, the price being some way down on the list of priorities. ...and thats a fact!

 

[see it shoot it]

I dont doubt for a second that some people are simply price-driven, whatever the quality. BUT I would bet that MOST people - even in the middle of our global recession - bought on value and quality of service, the price being some way down on the list of priorities. ...and thats a fact!

with respect,anyone with half a brain who does his homework does not need to sit a 2,3 or 4 day course just pay and do the test,its not hard now is it.we all have someone who can ask us mock questions from the list that you are given then if your happy go do the test.

 

[I. Farticus]

with respect,anyone with half a brain who does his homework does not need to sit a 2,3 or 4 day course just pay and do the test,its not hard now is it.we all have someone who can ask us mock questions from the list that you are given then if your happy go do the test.

Why not run a poll as to how people passed their DSC1 then...

Personally, I needed the full course that Jelen ran, so in your eyes I have less than half a brain (no argument from most that have met me), so chalk up 1 vote for:
1. "Needed to Attend a Course"

 

[Greymaster]

For clarity please I do not seek to decry the very informative and helpful experience to be enjoyed if submitting to a 3 or 4 day course whoever such might be under the tutelage of.

K

Indeed, it is an enjoyable experience, made more so by the personalities of the tutors.

 

[White Hart]

Indeed, it is an enjoyable experience, made more so by the personalities of the tutors.

+1 the tutors make the course.