Ruger 10/22 problems

[Archer]

Final thought- and it may have already been covered.
Have you got another scope to try?
Yesterday pm I spent sighting in my new CZ .22
Shots landing way way off to the left.
No amount of scope alteration made any difference.
Changed it for a simple air rifle scope and 5 shots later all shots touching in the bull

 

[palmer_mike]

Final thought- and it may have already been covered.
Have you got another scope to try?
Yesterday pm I spent sighting in my new CZ .22
Shots landing way way off to the left.
No amount of scope alteration made any difference.
Changed it for a simple air rifle scope and 5 shots later all shots touching in the bull

​Think he said he's already tried another scope.

 

[enfieldspares]

My 2p worth...first treat it as you would a motor vehicle that is "unfit for purpose". That is you must REJECT IT outright for if you allow the gunshop to repair it then you have accepted the item and can, I believe, no longer then reject it.

But I would before that try it with its iron sights or, even, some auxiliary sights just made from stiff cardboard, or a bent piece of tin can, and taped to the barrel with sellotape or masking tape. This will allow you to tell once and for all if the rifle can group or if, in fact, the problem is in the 'scope mounts or the 'scope rail. It doesn't matter with your auxiliary sights (if it is not fitted with iron sights) about the MPI as all you are initially interested in is the group size and not the group placement.

Also I believe that it helps all if you name and shame the gunshop responsible so that others may at least profit from your misfortune. There is a lot of acceptance that, somehow, a gun isn't subject to the same consumer legislation that all other items are subject to.

I'd say that a gun that cannot (as say a stalking rifle group into 3" or 4" at 100 yards isn't acceptable) and that a .22LR rifle that can't group into 1" to 2" at 50 yards ditto. Quite simply because it would not be humane to use such a weapon against live quarry.

Have you quoted the serial number of the gun to Viking Arms to ask if there are any known issues with that actual individual rifle and, I assume, is it the original barrel, etc., that is on it or has the gun been "messed about with"?

And I think that others have mentioned taking the moderator off for your testing? Lastly ask Viking if the gun was screw cut by them on import or not. As if it was not, but done after, there may be issues of the gun now being out of proof and thus exposing the RFD to a large fine under the Proof Act.

 

[MarinePMI]

If it has the barrel band...lose it. Also, trying placing a pressure pad under the barrel an inch from the foreend. Some of these rifles have had issues with "barrel droop" on the older V-block retained barrels (newer ones are threaded now as I understand it).

 

[Mark23576]

My 2p worth...first treat it as you would a motor vehicle that is "unfit for purpose". That is you must REJECT IT outright for if you allow the gunshop to repair it then you have accepted the item and can, I believe, no longer then reject it.

But I would before that try it with its iron sights or, even, some auxiliary sights just made from stiff cardboard, or a bent piece of tin can, and taped to the barrel with sellotape or masking tape. This will allow you to tell once and for all if the rifle can group or if, in fact, the problem is in the 'scope mounts or the 'scope rail. It doesn't matter with your auxiliary sights (if it is not fitted with iron sights) about the MPI as all you are initially interested in is the group size and not the group placement.

Also I believe that it helps all if you name and shame the gunshop responsible so that others may at least profit from your misfortune. There is a lot of acceptance that, somehow, a gun isn't subject to the same consumer legislation that all other items are subject to.

I'd say that a gun that cannot (as say a stalking rifle group into 3" or 4" at 100 yards isn't acceptable) and that a .22LR rifle that can't group into 1" to 2" at 50 yards ditto. Quite simply because it would not be humane to use such a weapon against live quarry.

Have you quoted the serial number of the gun to Viking Arms to ask if there are any known issues with that actual individual rifle and, I assume, is it the original barrel, etc., that is on it or has the gun been "messed about with"?

And I think that others have mentioned taking the moderator off for your testing? Lastly ask Viking if the gun was screw cut by them on import or not. As if it was not, but done after, there may be issues of the gun now being out of proof and thus exposing the RFD to a large fine under the Proof Act.

I have to let them try to repair it before I can demand my money back. I will only name and shame if here is a problem as apart from the daft comment I was not meant to hear they have been ok up till now.
i tried it without the mod and also with a different scope so what ever is the problem it is a gun problem the guy a Viking arms thinks it all points to a dodgy barrel. But said whatever is wrong they will be able to sort it. They have been very helpfull and positive. I have quoted the serial number that's how they knew the gun was still under warranty. I am going over to them in the morning to drop it off with them, they say a repair will take about a week as they will take it to a range to test it once it is repaired. I have arranged this with the gun shop who will pay for any work not covered under warranty if that happens.

 

[Muir]

I have to let them try to repair it before I can demand my money back. I will only name and shame if here is a problem as apart from the daft comment I was not meant to hear they have been ok up till now.
i tried it without the mod and also with a different scope so what ever is the problem it is a gun problem the guy a Viking arms thinks it all points to a dodgy barrel. But said whatever is wrong they will be able to sort it. They have been very helpfull and positive. I have quoted the serial number that's how they knew the gun was still under warranty. I am going over to them in the morning to drop it off with them, they say a repair will take about a week as they will take it to a range to test it once it is repaired. I have arranged this with the gun shop who will pay for any work not covered under warranty if that happens.

Did you remove the barrel band before you shot it?~Muir

 

[Mark23576]

Got it back on Tuesday with a new barrel fitted I tried it yesterday and I still had to shim the scope but it is a lot better grouped at 1.5 inch at 35yds resting on a land rover bonnet using Winchester subsonics going to try some different ammo in it to see if I can get it a bit better.

 

[Hornet 6]

Still sound to me like it needs to be returned for a refund, you can't shoot rabbits with a group size like that.

Neil.

 

[8x57]

Why did you still have to shim the scope?

 

[Mark23576]

Why did you still have to shim the scope?

It was still shooting low by about 6 inch

i am sure it will shoot tighter groups if I get set up properly I only took it out to check it was better and it was groups reduced by 12 inch. It was raining and quite windy I will take it out again to zero it properly at weekend.
It would be a lot better if the trigger had a lighter pull instead of the 150lb trigger pull ruger like to fit.

 

[charadam]

Would you FAFF with anything else you had bought that "performed" like this?

This gun is not fit for purpose.

Take it back to the retailer and demand a refund.

Any .22RF that will not group 10 rounds in 3/4" at 50m is not doing what it says on the box - and why should it cost you time and treasure to fix it?

PS - is this a "shooting syndrome" where we do not want to offend the shop in case they cut us off?

 

[8x57]

It was still shooting low by about 6 inch

i am sure it will shoot tighter groups if I get set up properly I only took it out to check it was better and it was groups reduced by 12 inch. It was raining and quite windy I will take it out again to zero it properly at weekend.
It would be a lot better if the trigger had a lighter pull instead of the 150lb trigger pull ruger like to fit.

Did you run out of scope adjustment then, or are you simply trying to set the scope up without using the internal adjustment?
You shouldn't run out of adjustment with any scope using standard mounts and rings. If you do something is most definitely wrong.

Yes the factory trigger pull on these is pretty heavy but it can be fixed.

 

[old keeper]

The 10/22 never fails to amaze me. It is reputedly the biggest selling civilian rifle in the history of mankind yet it truth shoots very badly. When anyone criticizes them you never get dozens of people defending them. I had one once, it had all the goodies and looked very smart, and was dreadfully inaccurate. I sent it back and it was eventually returned with a note and a target with a one and a half inch group. The note said nothing wrong with the rifle as the attached target shows. Unfortunately the group was shot at 25 yards!

 

[Muir]

Would you FAFF with anything else you had bought that "performed" like this?

This gun is not fit for purpose.

Take it back to the retailer and demand a refund.

Any .22RF that will not group 10 rounds in 3/4" at 50m is not doing what it says on the box - and why should it cost you time and treasure to fix it?

PS - is this a "shooting syndrome" where we do not want to offend the shop in case they cut us off?

Ruger makes no claims for accuracy and in fact, the 10/22 is famous for mediocre accuracy right from the box with a couple exceptions like the Take Down Model, the Deluxe Model, 10/22 Rifle (ask JAYB about this one) , and the Target Models. If you buy a Standard Carbine with the barrel band you are going to get dismal accuracy compared to about any bolt gun. FWIW, After having owned more of these rifles than I can recall, I'll offer that some high/hyper velocity ammo gives the top accuracy from these guns. I had one that would shoot 1/2 from CCI Stinger and another that digested CCI Mini Mag with great accuracy.~Muir

 

[charadam]

Not to be contradictory, but this from the Ruger webpage.

"The Benchmark for 22 Rifles – Experience the Tradition. The Ruger® 10/22® rifle is America’s favorite 22 LR rifle, with proven performance in a wide range of styles for every rimfire application. Ideally suited for informal target shooting, "plinking," small game hunting and action-shooting events, Ruger has sold millions of 10/22 rifles since their introduction in 1964. With its legendary action and renowned reliable rotary magazine, all 10/22 rifles are sleek, perfectly balanced, rugged and superbly accurate. With a variety of choices – from the standard 10/22 Carbine, to the tack-driving accuracy of the Target model, the 10/22 is still today’s most popular 22 rifle. It looks right, feels right, shoots right and continues to perform under heavy use - inspiring the most fanatical loyalty from its owners. With proven design, legendary reliability and the modern features demanded by today’s 22 LR shooters, these firearms are priced right to make keeping tradition affordable".

 

[bogtrotter]

Well I will buck the trend, bought a 10/22 carbine in 1982 still have it, as accurate as any other semi auto I have used, accurate enough to consistently kill rabbits at ranges up to a 100 yards. It still has the barrel band as I have never felt the need to remove it as the accuracy is perfectly acceptable. The only problem I have had with the rifle has been a feeding one, which is easily fixed by stripping and cleaning the mag. Maybe I have been lucky , but I actually like the rifle.

 

[Muir]

Not to be contradictory, but this from the Ruger webpage.

"The Benchmark for 22 Rifles – Experience the Tradition. The Ruger® 10/22® rifle is America’s favorite 22 LR rifle, with proven performance in a wide range of styles for every rimfire application. Ideally suited for informal target shooting, "plinking," small game hunting and action-shooting events, Ruger has sold millions of 10/22 rifles since their introduction in 1964. With its legendary action and renowned reliable rotary magazine, all 10/22 rifles are sleek, perfectly balanced, rugged and superbly accurate. With a variety of choices – from the standard 10/22 Carbine, to the tack-driving accuracy of the Target model, the 10/22 is still today’s most popular 22 rifle. It looks right, feels right, shoots right and continues to perform under heavy use - inspiring the most fanatical loyalty from its owners. With proven design, legendary reliability and the modern features demanded by today’s 22 LR shooters, these firearms are priced right to make keeping tradition affordable".

How many MOA is"superbly accurate"?? Ruger will tell you that it's what ever MOA your gun delivers. Been there and done that with Ruger.~Muir

 

[Toxster]

Taking delivery of my (used) Deluxe 10/22 today and shooting it this afternoon.... will keep you updated!

 

[Brithunter]

Once upon a time I fancied a 10/22 but never got around to doing more than that. In the club I belonged too there were quite a few members with this rifles. Then there were three whom own the AMT copies, two of which were te folding butt vaiety and the other had the Small Game Hunter version, they would expand large quantities of ammunition down range every Wednesday evening on the 25M range in the local TA centre which the club used.

One of the favourite targets were wooden clothes pegs on a string across the range. They never had much trouble hitting those. However I do not recall the 10/22 owners getting involved perhaps the AMT's were better made?

It seems Ruger put a stop to the AMT version .

 

[Archer]

I started reading Guns and Ammo in 1970 and from then on understood "plinking" to mean the American equivalent of our shooting tin cans, in the garden, with an air rifle- only difference being they used .22lr.

Therefore fun shooting at a max of 25 yards is - to me- what the 10/22 is about, and to expect 70 yard pinpoint accuracy is misunderstanding the point of the rifle and the ammunition. - Muir could you shed light on how popular .22 sub sonic is because I believe HV is the normal ammo for the 10/22 ?

Yes you can get accuracy at 50+ yards but there is no guarantee so remember that experimenting with commercial ammunition may give you good results.

My rifles are tools.
3ish years ago I had 2 large warrens to clear.
The terms/conditions given were, minimum noise, when the children were asleep and to be done quickly.
I had an HMR so varied my FAC and bought a second hand 10/22.
No barrel band just a long wood stock- s/n shows it manufactured in 1982
Moderated and with a 4x40 scope I shot out to 40 yards and cleared the warrens.

It now wears an ATI stock and red dot sight (as well as the 4x40) and has become favourite for "light hearted" range work where it has recently "plinked" far more targets than shot rabbits, but it still gets taken out for the odd orchard walk- and only yesterday took a bunny at 40 paces.

I like my rifle but have no illusions - nor had at time of purchase - about what it was produced for.