Advanced marksmanship test - deer management course

[Neumo]

That's where an air rifle or a 22lr comes in handy. Its an awful lot easier to get somewhere to practice all the different shooting techniques if you have one of the above & an awful lot cheaper too.

Yes that is try. I have both so may have to get some practice in off sticks while rabbiting.

 

[timbrayford]

Has anyone got a copy of the Roe target with scoring rings that is used for the test? As others have said it pays to practice.

atb Tim

 

[willie_gunn]

Tim

On the BDS Advanced Shooting test there are no scoring rings, they just use a silhouette (Roe Black Silhouette Target 69 x 87 cm).

Much more useful, as deer don't come with scoring rings either

Well, most don't......

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willie_gunn

 

[timbrayford]

I agree about the lack of scoring rings on deer, however if I recall the BDS advanced shooting test specification correctly shots have to be within the "7" ring. I am familiar with the BDS Roe target but not with any scoring ring apart from the feint outline on the kill zone, would I be correct in assuming that is what they refer to?

atb Tim

 

[willie_gunn]

I agree about the lack of scoring rings on deer, however if I recall the BDS advanced shooting test specification correctly shots have to be within the "7" ring. I am familiar with the BDS Roe target but not with any scoring ring apart from the feint outline on the kill zone, would I be correct in assuming that is what they refer to?

atb Tim

Yes, that's correct. Within the feint outline is the target area.

You can find a full description of the test here: Advanced Shooting test? though it may have been updated since then.

willie_gunn

 

[murrayb]

That sounds like a laugh. I may try it next time I'm a the ranges

Obviously I will be getting a lot of jeering from the back though

 

[Klenchblaize]

I shot an interesting one last year, viz
4 rounds each:
300yds prone bipod
200yds sitting bipod or sticks
100yds standing sticks
60yds standing freehand

Interestingly when it was first proposed to shoot a BSRC competition at the ground-breaking distance of 200 yards there were a number of prominent members who insisted it would not be one involving a UK deer species target for fear of encouraging less than Best Practice.

We therefore used a DJV Chamois target for the one-time twice yearly “Goat Shoot” held on Short Siberia.

K

 

[JabaliHunter]

Interestingly when it was first proposed to shoot a BSRC competition at the ground-breaking distance of 200 yards there were a number of prominent members who insisted it would not be one involving a UK deer species target for fear of encouraging less than Best Practice.

We therefore used a DJV Chamois target for the one-time twice yearly “Goat Shoot” held on Short Siberia.

K

I think its a pity that the BSRC doesn't have a 200yd firing point of its own, but from a BSRC email this morning:

200 – 600yd Century day - 200yds fox; 300yds fox; 400yds fallow doe and fox; 500yds 1/2MOA prairie dog and fallow doe; 600yds red hind..

 

[Pine Marten]

There's all sorts of interesting long range stuff going on, although unfortunately it's all on Wednesdays, so we poor desk-monkeys can't join in the fun.

 

[timbrayford]

Yes, that's correct. Within the feint outline is the target area.

You can find a full description of the test here: Advanced Shooting test? though it may have been updated since then.

willie_gunn

Thanks for the details, if only you could do the test standing off sticks, particularly the timed ones. Getting into a sitting/kneeling position in 15 seconds is starting to become a challenge!

atb Tim

 

[willie_gunn]

Thanks for the details, if only you could do the test standing off sticks, particularly the timed ones. Getting into a sitting/kneeling position in 15 seconds is starting to become a challenge!

atb Tim

I find getting down from standing to sitting/kneeling is fine.....it's getting back up again

willie_gunn

 

[Klenchblaize]

I think its a pity that the BSRC doesn't have a 200yd firing point of its own, but from a BSRC email this morning: "200 – 600yd Century day - 200yds fox; 300yds fox; 400yds fallow doe and fox; 500yds 1/2MOA prairie dog and fallow doe; 600yds red hind.."

I guess we are moving with the times!

K

 

[Dalua]

Interestingly when it was first proposed to shoot a BSRC competition at the ground-breaking distance of 200 yards there were a number of prominent members who insisted it would not be one involving a UK deer species target for fear of encouraging less than Best Practice.

We therefore used a DJV Chamois target for the one-time twice yearly “Goat Shoot” held on Short Siberia.

K

That is akin to the moral doublethink of 'extraordinary rendition'!

We did have a look at the DJV targets, but I didn't like the scoring-rings going well back beyong the diaphragm.

 

[JabaliHunter]

There's all sorts of interesting long range stuff going on, although unfortunately it's all on Wednesdays, so we poor desk-monkeys can't join in the fun.

Yes, this is another issue; along with the number of weekend days that the range is hired out and therefore not available for use by members...

 

[scubadog]

what range is this?

 

[JabaliHunter]

BSRC at Bisley

 

[Erik Hamburger]

I agree about the lack of scoring rings on deer, however if I recall the BDS advanced shooting test specification correctly shots have to be within the "7" ring. I am familiar with the BDS Roe target but not with any scoring ring apart from the feint outline on the kill zone, would I be correct in assuming that is what they refer to?

atb Tim

The target was a Roe deer silhuette with rings centered on the killing zone, this was overlaid with a piece of black carton so from a distance you couldn't see the rings. To count the score simply lift up the covering paper, score, and patch.

Lets just say this poor deer, if for real, would have lost several legs, be gut shot, and injured in the brisket and lower neck, after twelve of us had a go at it. All who took part agreed that further, more intensive marksmanship training was required for almost all of us. It just showed that shooting under field conditions cannot be compared to bench-rest shooting on a range - just because you 'print' a clover leaf on the range at 150 yards doesn't mean you can hit a deer at 50.

 

[Heym SR20]

The target was a Roe deer silhuette with rings centered on the killing zone, this was overlaid with a piece of black carton so from a distance you couldn't see the rings. To count the score simply lift up the covering paper, score, and patch.

Lets just say this poor deer, if for real, would have lost several legs, be gut shot, and injured in the brisket and lower neck, after twelve of us had a go at it. All who took part agreed that further, more intensive marksmanship training was required for almost all of us. It just showed that shooting under field conditions cannot be compared to bench-rest shooting on a range - just because you 'print' a clover leaf on the range at 150 yards doesn't mean you can hit a deer at 50.

Interesting read, but would also suggest that the vast majority of the stalkers present, probably kill 95% of their deer with the first shot quickly and humanely. Of those where they do take a follow up shot, it's probably actually not needed, but better safe than sorry.