Roe Buck heads a question

[sako751sg]

Very hard to actually tell by looking at a picture what category of medal a head would fit in.Some heads can be big and light,and others small but dense and very surprising so until they are cleaned and weighed its a guessing game unless so obviously huge.Heres a pic of a few and the two missing medals are a silver on the left and a gold on the top which just scraped it by a point.Very few of these when on the hoof and cutting aboot could i guess which medal they were but knew most were decent and could make one.

 

[stag1933]

My 8 pointer Roe of 1963 .
[ 104.35 CIC points.]
It would have been a Bronze medal if I had not cut the scull so short.
HWH.

 

[Double four]

Very hard to actually tell by looking at a picture what category of medal a head would fit in.Some heads can be big and light,and others small but dense and very surprising so until they are cleaned and weighed its a guessing game unless so obviously huge.Heres a pic of a few and the two missing medals are a silver on the left and a gold on the top which just scraped it by a point.Very few of these when on the hoof and cutting aboot could i guess which medal they were but knew most were decent and could make one.
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Some cracking heads there Dave

 

[BenC]

As has been said only a really rough idea can be gained from photos but here you go:

 

[seibassman7]

Thanks to everyone for the replies and the photos just what I was looking for. Cracking heads in the photos one and all! regards sbm

 

[Treeehorse]

The first one is a low Silver medal, and the second is hanging in the larder at the moment. Its about the same length (24cm) and much heavier (thicker in every aspect - obviously it weighs more, its still attatched to the deer), with better pearling. Anyone fancy a guess? Its very difficult to the untrained eye, but I'm pretty confident it will be a medal of some sort

 

[stag1933]

An excellent head with long tines and very good pearling.
Under no circumstances cut the scull prior to it being CIC measured.

We will wait patiently for you to boil it off and give it the statutory 90 days to dry out before you get it measured by the CIC people.

HWH.

 

[willie_gunn]

Four medal Roebucks.
L to R , gold, silver, silver and bronze.
The bronze was a young buck shot too early in his life.
HWH.

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What a wonderful collection.

Did you ever estimate the ages of the bucks that produced the Gold and Silver heads? The sloping coronets on the Gold, and also the Silver that is third from the left, make me think they were getting on in years - you can see the contrast to the Bronze on the right.

willie_gunn

 

[stag1933]

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What a wonderful collection.

Did you ever estimate the ages of the bucks that produced the Gold and Silver heads? The sloping coronets on the Gold, and also the Silver that is third from the left, make me think they were getting on in years - you can see the contrast to the Bronze on the right.

willie_gunn

Correct age estimation is always a problem with some people looking at tooth wear but this can vary due to different habitats.
Lush growth with a higher nutritional value can reduce wear .
The sloping coronets and thick shorter pedicles are always a good indication of advancing years as at each antler-casting part of the pedicle is lost.
Over my lifetime I shot many hundreds but as far as medals are concerned they were my best.
The symmetrical 8 pointer of 1963 was to me my most interesting though .

HWH.

 

[purdey24]

The award of a medal is almost all down to the weight. The other points awarded come to a very small proportion of the total. There was a very handy scale somewhere on the forum, but I can't find it now, of what the weights of the full skull would be to approximate which medal it would get.
For reference the two in my avatar were both gold and were also awarded gold at the international exhibition in Nuremburg in Germany.
I believe the one on the right was the largest shot in Britain that year. It was in the mid 1980s.

 

[8x57]

As has been said only a really rough idea can be gained from photos but here you go:

Real nice examples Ben.

 

[Stingercargill]

Another symmetrical 8 pointer, that made gold, similar to the buck from stag1933.

 

[liongeorge]

The award of a medal is almost all down to the weight. The other points awarded come to a very small proportion of the total. There was a very handy scale somewhere on the forum, but I can't find it now, of what the weights of the full skull would be to approximate which medal it would get.
For reference the two in my avatar were both gold and were also awarded gold at the international exhibition in Nuremburg in Germany.
I believe the one on the right was the largest shot in Britain that year. It was in the mid 1980s.

Saying that other points awarded other than weight come to a small proportion of total is wrong I'm afraid .In fact volume is as important if not more important than weight though weight to start with is a very good indication as to whether you have a medal on your hands and as such will relate to the potential volume.
For example my gold of the 152 points 78 were volume and 51 weight so volume being over half the points and weight only a third.

http://www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk/showthread.php/32052-Big-Roe-Head-Ready-to-Measure
I suspect that if you look at the detail of the scoring of your fantastic heads that volume was very important , even more so with them being cut the way they are.

ATB George

 

[stag1933]

The award of a medal is almost all down to the weight. The other points awarded come to a very small proportion of the total. There was a very handy scale somewhere on the forum, but I can't find it now, of what the weights of the full skull would be to approximate which medal it would get.
For reference the two in my avatar were both gold and were also awarded gold at the international exhibition in Nuremburg in Germany.
I believe the one on the right was the largest shot in Britain that year. It was in the mid 1980s.

My Swedish `Qwik Fix Formula`.
Gross weight of dried out uncut scull and antlers, deduct 90 grams, multiply by 0.23, and add 20.
Total is the approximate medal score.

If the sculls of the antlers shown on the avatar were measured cut as shown you have done yourself a grave mischief as in both cases the scores would have been greater.


After my error in 1963 I never cut the scull of any potential medal Roebuck.

HWH.

 

[jimbo1984]

I'm living this thread showing all these great medal head bucks I've yet to shoot a buck that would achieve medal class but I've shot a few nice ones , stag1933 when are you going to write a book?? I love seeing your photos and stories!
atb Jim

 

[stag1933]

I'm living this thread showing all these great medal head bucks I've yet to shoot a buck that would achieve medal class but I've shot a few nice ones , stag1933 when are you going to write a book?? I love seeing your photos and stories!
atb Jim

Probably never being 81 next month, arthritic and partially sighted .
Dragging Reds off stony mountains usually single-handed since 1961 has done me no favours.
Still, I suppose it is better to be a `has been` rather than a never been.

Below is a photo of the result of 10 days stalking in Co.Wicklow, Eire, many years ago.
One 16 point wild Red stag, [a Silver medal head.], two wild goats and five Sika stags.
Alas, to be fit and young again !

HWH.

 

[AN DU RU FOX]

I WILL BET YOU CAN REMEMBER EVERY MINUTE OF IT,lovely happy days atb doug,

 

[jimbo1984]

Probably never being 81 next month, arthritic and partially sighted .
Dragging Reds off stony mountains usually single-handed since 1961 has done me no favours.
Still, I suppose it is better to be a `has been` rather than a never been.

Below is a photo of the result of 10 days stalking in Co.Wicklow, Eire, many years ago.
One 16 point wild Red stag, [a Silver medal head.], two wild goats and five Sika stags.
Alas, to be fit and young again !

HWH.

That's a shame I'm certain it would be a fantastic read

aye as you say old age catches up with us all but you've lived a great life by the looks of things and here's to a good few years left
atb Jim
ps cracking heads once again

 

[Treeehorse]

stag1933 what have you done with your lifetimes worth of antlers? Have you kept hold of many of the heads?

 

[stag1933]

stag1933 what have you done with your lifetimes worth of antlers? Have you kept hold of many of the heads?

Picture below of one of the walls in my front room. AKA my trophy room with shooting vests, England International DTL Clay Team cap and badges etc.
My long hallway is covered on both sides with mainly Sika, wild Goats, Muntjac etc.
I gave many antlers away to friends for stick making and decoration, recently I have been selling some on another site.
HWH.