Section 5 firearms advice
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I recently managed to get authorisation for a .410 shot pistol which would be perfect for humane dispatch of wounded deer, unfortunately I only have authorisation for shooting vermin in or around buildings (for my game keeping work). Although they didn't blink an eye when I applied for the .410 shot pistol, I'm hesitant of asking them if I could use it for humane dispatch as most of the guidance on this subject recommends a bullet rather than shot....and you know how the firearms department like to stick to guidance 
Only problem now is I can't find a .410 pistol for sale anywhere!
Only problem now is I can't find a .410 pistol for sale anywhere!
Si
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I recently managed to get authorisation for a .410 shot pistol which would be perfect for humane dispatch of wounded deer, unfortunately I only have authorisation for shooting vermin in or around buildings (for my game keeping work). Although they didn't blink an eye when I applied for the .410 shot pistol, I'm hesitant of asking them if I could use it for humane dispatch as most of the guidance on this subject recommends a bullet rather than shot....and you know how the firearms department like to stick to guidance
Only problem now is I can't find a .410 pistol for sale anywhere!
Tell them a vet recommended .410 for HD
I recently managed to get authorisation for a .410 shot pistol which would be perfect for humane dispatch of wounded deer, unfortunately I only have authorisation for shooting vermin in or around buildings (for my game keeping work). Although they didn't blink an eye when I applied for the .410 shot pistol, I'm hesitant of asking them if I could use it for humane dispatch as most of the guidance on this subject recommends a bullet rather than shot....and you know how the firearms department like to stick to guidance
Only problem now is I can't find a .410 pistol for sale anywhere!
Im sure one of the sect 5 dealers will bring you one in. Taurus International Manufacturing Inc
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Goodness me if we worked on the basis of need rather than good reason there would be 1000s of rifles missing from gun cabinets up and down the country .......................
Plymouth Gin
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Problem with the Taurus Judge smooth bore is this: section 3 of the 1997 Firearms (Amendment) Act allows relief from the prohibition of short firearms (section 5(1)(aba) for humane dispatch. It does not allow relief for any other category of prohibited (section 5) firearm.
However, a smooth bore revolver gun, other than one chambered for 9mm rimfire, is prohibited under s.5(1)(ad). Therefore the section 3 humane dispatch exemption does not cover a .410 smooth bore revolver.
You can legally have a Judge for humane dispatch if it is the rifled barrel version chambered for .45 Long Colt.
A couple of well known section 5 dealers came a cropper on this a couple of years back.
However, a smooth bore revolver gun, other than one chambered for 9mm rimfire, is prohibited under s.5(1)(ad). Therefore the section 3 humane dispatch exemption does not cover a .410 smooth bore revolver.
You can legally have a Judge for humane dispatch if it is the rifled barrel version chambered for .45 Long Colt.
A couple of well known section 5 dealers came a cropper on this a couple of years back.
cookingfat
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Same as, had one on ticket for 3.5 years and still can't find one, looking in to having one cutt down now, don't know weather this is possible or not?I recently managed to get authorisation for a .410 shot pistol which would be perfect for humane dispatch of wounded deer, unfortunately I only have authorisation for shooting vermin in or around buildings (for my game keeping work). Although they didn't blink an eye when I applied for the .410 shot pistol, I'm hesitant of asking them if I could use it for humane dispatch as most of the guidance on this subject recommends a bullet rather than shot....and you know how the firearms department like to stick to guidance
Only problem now is I can't find a .410 pistol for sale anywhere!
2130martin
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Am in same position,let us know how you get on please?
As I understand it, a .410 shot pistol for vermin control around buildings etc. (1997 Firearms Amendment act Part 1, Section 4 (2)) has to be "a smooth-bored gun". This rules out Taurus Judge and S&W Govenor as they are both fully rifled. However the Bond derringers only have about 3/4" of rifling at muzzle the end because the rest of the barrel is [FONT=arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif]effectively[/FONT] a chamber for the 3" .410 cartridge. How this would stand up if ever tested in court I don't know (and don't want to be the guinea pig finding out). So I guess I'm back to square 1.....cutting down a cheep old .410 side x side.
Uncle Norm
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I believe you could run into a problem with cutting down a 'cheap old .410 side x side' too. It is unlawful to shorten the barrel of a shotgun to less than 24 inches except for an RFD effecting repairs. I understood the 'repairs' to be the sleeving process. However I am not aware of any case law the defines that particular detail.
I think if you need to ask the question you may need to ask yourself do you really need it?
Jesus, thought my dad had got himself online there
Theres plenty of things we all own but dont need , allegedly we live in a democracy so we can have something if we feel it we want it (restrictions apply of course!) starting a trend of proving you need something before you can have it is one step away from a dictatorship in my view , the OP has obviously been approved by the police as suitable to own such a weapon , what right does anyone else have to disagree ? none !
I guess you own one basic rifle with a cheap sight and one single barrel shotgun ?I mean you dont need anything more.
You just need a good reason not a substantial good reason and that good reason is that sometime in the future you may need to humanely despatch a deer,end of story.Now how does that not stand up to scrutiny can the police see into the future.Then if you want to go out and buy a semi auto 9mm that is/should be down to you
Geordie
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Uncle Norm
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Geordie. You are of course right that the law states 'Good Reason' only. However the advice that I offer our members is based on my twelve years experience as a firearms and explosives licensing manager and given in good faith.
Si
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If that were true everyone who stalks would have one
now lets be honest here , poeple want pistols because they are banned simple as that !!!
Norfolk told me i couldnt have one , i proved good reason to have one , got it and used it twice and sold it now got a .410 (much better tool for the job)
do as you please and waste your money if you wish !!
Norfolk told me i couldnt have one , i proved good reason to have one , got it and used it twice and sold it now got a .410 (much better tool for the job)
do as you please and waste your money if you wish !!
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